VW Emissions Scandal - The Effects

[AJP]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34325005

I'm sure most, if not all of you are aware by now of recent events. In the most basic terms - VW have knowingly and deliberately cheated US emissions tests.

Their share price has taken a HUGE hit. And they're facing billions in costs on top.

Now we're all sat here happily in the UK in our petrol GTIs, but I do wonder...

How much are VW going to have to tighten their belts - globally?

Will the R400 mk7 be canned?

Is the mk7 GTI Clubsport going to be VWs swansong, in terms of the GTI brand?

Will my impending arch corrosion warranty claim be refused, point blank?!

I may be well off the mark, and I hope I am. But look at the financial hit. It's massive.

Mods - if there's an existing thread, please delete/merge. I couldn't find one.

Discuss!!!

[Horatio]

Could be intereting to see if any of the other car makers were aware and doing the same. Im thinking they were and are. Could possibly have stricter implications worldwide for vehicle emissions, ram up the road tax even more. 

[AJP]

Could be intereting to see if any of the other car makers were aware and doing the same. Im thinking they were and are. Could possibly have stricter implications worldwide for vehicle emissions, ram up the road tax even more. 

I'd be surprised if it was exclusively VAG up to this.

Really hard to gauge the implications at this stage, but when VAG have established themselves predominantly on the back of these magic diesels over the last couple of decades you've got to wonder whether the bubble has burst, and from that, just how much is going to be left in the pot for the development of hot (brand oriented) VWs and Audis.

Honda and Ford will be rubbing their hands... If they're not also in on it, like you suggest.

[ARV_90]

We use a different system than the US, I believe they use the Adblue injection system to bring down the emissions to a lot lower level than we require in the UK. Looks like the car new when it was being tested and cranked up the amount of fluid that it injected into the exhaust system to get a very low reading... Clever if you ask me. Be interesting to see who else is doing it.

[SRC]

If VW have been playing the system, you can bet others manufacturers will have been doing the same.  My money's on BMW next - look how impressive their claimed emissions and consumption figures are, despite no reported loss in performance.

[ARV_90]

It wouldn't surprise me if BMW were next , Possibly Citroen and Pugs as they use the Adblue system don't they ? How the hell are Ford doing it as every one I follow is puffing out soot 

[Paradox1]

seems to be just the diesels that have been tested so far. would be interesting to see if this whole scandal will affect the prices of new stock.
Would this mean higher road tax too?

[xjay1337]

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=448053

Lots of good information there.

Note that the BMW X5 35d also goes over nox limits in one of the tests.
Doesn't bother me at all personally.
it's just american pushing out european diesels
quite happy to spew around in cummins diesel powered pickups running 50psi of boost and plooms of smoke.

[FJ1000]

Its worth pointing out that the European emission test results are not in question, its elsewhere (particularly the US, where NOx guidelines are much stricter and the test is done in a lab.) The European emissions tests are much harder to game.

[AJP]

Its worth pointing out that the European emission test results are not in question, its elsewhere (particularly the US, where NOx guidelines are much stricter and the test is done in a lab.) The European emissions tests are much harder to game.

Yes, this is true. But I think the point is that VAG is a global company. I know it's not as simple as saying everything comes out of the same pot, but you've got to wonder how wide the fallout will reach. We can't be totally immune just because the tests were cheated across the pond rather than in Europe.

Time will tell!

[richtung]

Due to the huge sums (in terms of fines / compensation) that are being written about in the press, I can see a detrimental impact to VW's F1 entrance. Would be a shame as it would be good to see VW (or one of its brand) break into F1.

Rich

[Gaz]

VW spend more in other motorsports than Mercedes spend in F1, and get MUCH less £ worth of media coverage for the money! Mercedes coverage was valued at WAY more than they spent. Its not a fun thing for them, its business and advertising!

Id love to see VAG in F1!


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[TAPPY]

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=448053

Lots of good information there.

Note that the BMW X5 35d also goes over nox limits in one of the tests.
Doesn't bother me at all personally.
it's just american pushing out european diesels
quite happy to spew around in cummins diesel powered pickups running 50psi of boost and plooms of smoke.

Just read this bit on the link you posted.

 "The software was designed to conceal the cars’ emissions of the pollutant nitrogen oxide, which contributes to the creation of ozone and smog. The pollutants are linked to a range of health problems, including asthma attacks and other respiratory diseases.

So how long until vw gets sued by somebody once they've had an asthma attack then?

[xjay1337]

americans and their lawsuits

 

[AJP]

They were at it in Europe too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34345210

The plot thickens.