Golf Mk5 Gti Intercooler vs Edition 30

[pudding]

@Paradox1 The twintercooler type, possibly this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401106711007?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I think all the ones on there seem to be the same company under a different name and saying they are based in the uk. Very confusing as to which one to go for

After reading the thread about the Golf 6R IC, I'd prefer to fit one of those if I had a K03 engine. It's OEM quality and a good upgrade. The price is nice as well. I guess getting the S3 metal ends IC isn't needed after all.

I'd happily fit either :)  Anything is better than the standard GTI part!

I think the MK7 R has the same intercooler as MK6 and both put down good horsepower when chipped!

[Shoduchi]

@Paradox1 The twintercooler type, possibly this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401106711007?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I think all the ones on there seem to be the same company under a different name and saying they are based in the uk. Very confusing as to which one to go for

After reading the thread about the Golf 6R IC, I'd prefer to fit one of those if I had a K03 engine. It's OEM quality and a good upgrade. The price is nice as well. I guess getting the S3 metal ends IC isn't needed after all.

I'd happily fit either :)  Anything is better than the standard GTI part!

I think the MK7 R has the same intercooler as MK6 and both put down good horsepower when chipped!

The MQB chassis has a different IC. Not sure if the core size is different. The CDL engine (Golf 6R and S3) with supporting mods (downpipe, upgraded HPFP and a CAI) can do 350 BHP with the OEM IC. The Golf 7R can do it with just a remap.

[pudding]

@Paradox1 The twintercooler type, possibly this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401106711007?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I think all the ones on there seem to be the same company under a different name and saying they are based in the uk. Very confusing as to which one to go for

After reading the thread about the Golf 6R IC, I'd prefer to fit one of those if I had a K03 engine. It's OEM quality and a good upgrade. The price is nice as well. I guess getting the S3 metal ends IC isn't needed after all.

I'd happily fit either :)  Anything is better than the standard GTI part!

I think the MK7 R has the same intercooler as MK6 and both put down good horsepower when chipped!

The MQB chassis has a different IC. Not sure if the core size is different. The CDL engine (Golf 6R and S3) with supporting mods (downpipe, upgraded HPFP and a CAI) can do 350 BHP with the OEM IC. The Golf 7R can do it with just a remap.

Ah OK.  I google image searched "MK7 Golf R intercooler" and it looks very similar to the MK6 one.  Probably is different in some way though.  VAG can't leave anything alone!

So, the Golf R then, and it's IS38 turbo.....I wonder if it fits our EA113 engine?

[Shoduchi]

Ah OK.  I google image searched "MK7 Golf R intercooler" and it looks very similar to the MK6 one.  Probably is different in some way though.  VAG can't leave anything alone!

So, the Golf R then, and it's IS38 turbo.....I wonder if it fits our EA113 engine?

Not worth the trouble of retrofitting. The K04 can handle up to 370-380 BHP with all the best Stage 2+ mods. If you add WMI you can do around 400 BHP. If you still want more, the TTE420 (K04 hybrid) will make 420 BHP easily with supporting mods (upgraded LPFP and 155 bar FRV). More with WMI (~450 BHP). It's plenty of power with a bolt on turbo.

If you want 500 BHP or more it's better to go for a BT kit from Nortech, for example (for 4WD cars).

[pudding]

Ah OK.  I google image searched "MK7 Golf R intercooler" and it looks very similar to the MK6 one.  Probably is different in some way though.  VAG can't leave anything alone!

So, the Golf R then, and it's IS38 turbo.....I wonder if it fits our EA113 engine?

Not worth the trouble of retrofitting. The K04 can handle up to 370-380 BHP with all the best Stage 2+ mods. If you add WMI you can do around 400 BHP. If you still want more, the TTE420 (K04 hybrid) will make 420 BHP easily with supporting mods (upgraded LPFP and 155 bar FRV). More with WMI (~450 BHP). It's plenty of power with a bolt on turbo.

If you want 500 BHP or more it's better to go for a BT kit from Nortech, for example (for 4WD cars).

Very true. I forget the little K04 is still capable of good numbers! I just thought the IS38 would be a nice little OEM upgrade 

[Paradox1]

IS38 is has decent mid range pull. got to draw the line between practicality with being fwd n all.

k04 is ideal for our cars I reckon

[pudding]

MK6 R intercooler fitted. 

I haven't done any data logging yet but my butt dyno is definitely feeling a gain in torque. The engine feels a lot stronger in boost and more responsive off boost, and generally smoother running too.  And this is with standard intake and exhaust.

I think it's down to a combination of things.  1) Losing the leak prone clip-in hoses, 2) losing 9 years of oil / crud build up inside the original cooler core and 3) the improved and freer flowing core of the MK6 part.  You can just feel it doesn't heat soak half as much and has much less pressure drop.

All in all, for <£250 it's a bargain for an OEM upgrade that works really well 

All you need is 3 hours of your time and 2 x hose clamps.  I used the OEM ones for the MK6 / S3. 

I've read a few fitting guides and they mention that the driver's side boost hose needs trimming after you've pulled the metal ends off.  Didn't need to do that on my Edition 30.  Just pull the ends off and off you go.  I used side cutters and pliers.  2 mins per hose.  Some folk use a hacksaw.  Which ever works best 

Oh and whilst fitting it, I noticed the bottom half of my A/C condenser is pretty much blocked up with crud, bugs and folded over cooling fins.   With a new condenser fitted, I expect the gains will be even greater.

[Pesky jones]

So if I were to do this, I could fix my A/C system at the same time? 

[xjay1337]

I'm sorry but I don't think you can "butt dyno" temperature differences on an intercooler.
I don't think TFSIs start pulling timing till the inlet temp is over 40 degrees which you won't get to in this temperature unless you are hooning it.

I fitted a THS intercooler and I did not make any more power or torque at all. It held power at the top end better but we are talking 2 or 3 bhp.

I would have rather spent £180 on an Ebay THS cooler and a new air conditioning condenser, as you say you will benefit from the better airflow as most of the air enters through the bottom center grill.

[pudding]

So if I were to do this, I could fix my A/C system at the same time? 

No better time to do it 

[pudding]

I'm sorry but I don't think you can "butt dyno" temperature differences on an intercooler.
I don't think TFSIs start pulling timing till the inlet temp is over 40 degrees which you won't get to in this temperature unless you are hooning it.

I fitted a THS intercooler and I did not make any more power or torque at all. It held power at the top end better but we are talking 2 or 3 bhp.

I would have rather spent £180 on an Ebay THS cooler and a new air conditioning condenser, as you say you will benefit from the better airflow as most of the air enters through the bottom center grill.

I'm not so naïve as to believe simply bolting on an intercooler will make an extra 100hp, but it has made a difference, end of.   Like I said, the improvements I could feel were likely down to a combination of things, but it is a better intercooler than the standard part, end of.

Just because the ECU isn't pulling timing, doesn't mean the denser inlet charge won't be felt.

In your situation are talking about an Edition 30 or a Scirocco diesel?

[Beej]

MK6 R intercooler fitted. 

I haven't done any data logging yet but my butt dyno is definitely feeling a gain in torque. The engine feels a lot stronger in boost and more responsive off boost, and generally smoother running too.  And this is with standard intake and exhaust.

I think it's down to a combination of things.  1) Losing the leak prone clip-in hoses, 2) losing 9 years of oil / crud build up inside the original cooler core and 3) the improved and freer flowing core of the MK6 part.  You can just feel it doesn't heat soak half as much and has much less pressure drop.

All in all, for <£250 it's a bargain for an OEM upgrade that works really well 

All you need is 3 hours of your time and 2 x hose clamps.  I used the OEM ones for the MK6 / S3. 

I've read a few fitting guides and they mention that the driver's side boost hose needs trimming after you've pulled the metal ends off.  Didn't need to do that on my Edition 30.  Just pull the ends off and off you go.  I used side cutters and pliers.  2 mins per hose.  Some folk use a hacksaw.  Which ever works best 

Oh and whilst fitting it, I noticed the bottom half of my A/C condenser is pretty much blocked up with crud, bugs and folded over cooling fins.   With a new condenser fitted, I expect the gains will be even greater.

I am swapping out my airtec cooler for a mk6 r cooler this weekend. Do the hoses which come on the mk6 r need any adjustment? I still have my oem ones but if I can't get away with swapping the whole lot including hoses that would help.

Cheers

[xjay1337]

I'm sorry but I don't think you can "butt dyno" temperature differences on an intercooler.
I don't think TFSIs start pulling timing till the inlet temp is over 40 degrees which you won't get to in this temperature unless you are hooning it.

I fitted a THS intercooler and I did not make any more power or torque at all. It held power at the top end better but we are talking 2 or 3 bhp.

I would have rather spent £180 on an Ebay THS cooler and a new air conditioning condenser, as you say you will benefit from the better airflow as most of the air enters through the bottom center grill.

I'm not so naïve as to believe simply bolting on an intercooler will make an extra 100hp, but it has made a difference, end of.   Like I said, the improvements I could feel were likely down to a combination of things, but it is a better intercooler than the standard part, end of.

Just because the ECU isn't pulling timing, doesn't mean the denser inlet charge won't be felt.

In your situation are talking about an Edition 30 or a Scirocco diesel?

A Scirocco diesel with 36psi of boost from a turbo bigger than what an ED30 has...  
I suspect any improvements was that your head telling you that since you've spent £250+ that it must be quicker (unless of course you had some minor leaks they are quite common).

You won't gain any more power at stock or stage 1 tunes unless doing repeated flat out pulls, as I said it will not be pulling timing till the intake temps are quite high indeed.

I didn't say it wasn't better or worse, but that it won't provide you any increases and I'd have personally rather bought a Ebay THS cooler and a new AC Condensor.

I am a firm believe of proovable increases - dyno before and after or a log of intake temperatures would be proof.
The main increase I found from a larger intercooler was heatsoak when going slowly or stopped (in traffic) was far less.
I'm glad you are happy but i don't think you can really say "it's quicker" without any proof? I'm not being horrible or derogatory to you but i like being accountable.

[AJP]

Is it not possible that the mk6 R intercooler also flows better than the ed30/GTI cooler?

It's not just the temperature of the charge that's important, but the velocity of it too.

This might explain the butt dyno improvement.

[Beej]

Is it not possible that the mk6 R intercooler also flows better than the ed30/GTI cooler?

It's not just the temperature of the charge that's important, but the velocity of it too.

This might explain the butt dyno improvement.

Going from what I have read and seen (with graphs) yes, the mk6 r cooler is much more efficient at both cooling and flow rates compared with our stock ones