Really fed up with the car at the moment

[Chris92]

More components they can stick on the more there is to go wrong, surely if the aim is to make it as reliable as you can within your budget then why from the start of designing the 2.0 tfsi could they not make it with two cam pulleys to elimate the cam chain? Same with the hpfp etc? That's all I'm saying, why not just elimate them parts as like I said more components the more chance of things to go wrong when I can't see what advantages they have over older ways of doing it.

I maybes am wrong about what I said but come on what's the advantages? 

[r5gtt]

The same could be said about the mk1 tt but I never had these kind of issues. mine where more 115000 miles age related bushes caliper sticking worn out clutch maf n75 shock were replaced out of choice although the rears had seen better days from the rust eating the cover away. window regulator drivers side twice in five years brake pedal switch temp switch thermostat. coolant housing flange and all the items were going within the 52k miles and five years I owned her. Oh and the amp burnt out as I ran a 60x4watt alpine through it for 4 years  not much for a 15 year old car  but it's not the manufacturer putting in dodgy parts but cheap parts made from cheap materials or imported from over seas that are bound to fail sooner rather than later. replaced the tt cam belt kit and water pump after four good years and 45k service when it started to leak.

[stuart-88]

More components they can stick on the more there is to go wrong, surely if the aim is to make it as reliable as you can within your budget then why from the start of designing the 2.0 tfsi could they not make it with two cam pulleys to elimate the cam chain? Same with the hpfp etc? That's all I'm saying, why not just elimate them parts as like I said more components the more chance of things to go wrong when I can't see what advantages they have over older ways of doing it.

I maybes am wrong about what I said but come on what's the advantages? 

You won't find any direct injection engines with out a hpfp. Yeah the design with the cam follower is a bit crap but it's just one of those things. If you're really concerned about it then there is an aftermarket component that will not wear out (AKS tuning I believe sell them).

As for the cam chain, no idea, possibly something to do with the VVT design.

The fact is with research you can find out about any cars common issues before you buy it. Buying it then complaining on a dedicated forum to that model about the issues they have isn't going to get any one any where!

I could complain all day long about mine if that were the case. I bought it in September and since then I've had to replace the thermostat due to it never reaching temperature, clean the inlet valves due to lumpy idle, delete the faulty PCV to prevent them clogging again, replace cam follower, and replace the diverter valve.

I get what you're saying, but my point is they're getting on now and all the information is out there about what to expect with them.

[Chris92]

I'm not the one complaining here (although it's most likely looks that way  ) think you may have some names mixed up or like I said earlier on I've had 2 mk5 gti's and have been spot on and most likely will be driving a mk6 R sooner or later. I was just picking some weak points out of these engines that could of been solved in the design stage of the engine hence why I said what I did but I was speaking for all car manufactures in general, but was received like I was some kind of mad man    but surely atleast one or two of you can see where I'm coming from with what I said earlier on.

Most cars fitted with hpfp run the pumps off the timing belt...just because it's has a hpfp doesn't mean it's has to run off a cam lobe. Same again with the cam chain wether it's there for the vvt or not there is better ways around it. Not sure on cost tho.

No research needed here really as I've been here since 2013 and was reading it from 2011 plus I've owned two so if I hated them that much I most certainly wouldn't of had two in a row and will at some point be in a mk6 r  I do mostly all my own work on my cars as well so if stuff breaks i have even less to complain about unlike most the people on here (guessing).

[stuart-88]

My post wasn't directed at you, I'm just generally talking. I just happened to quote you  . What I mean is surely most people look in to what issues they're likely to encounter when buying a used car, and surely shouldn't be surprised if they then do have these issues.

Personally I think they're great engines, other than the obvious problems they more than likely will have at some stage.

[r5gtt]

You wouldn't expect a chain to pop at 45-50k but it haopens as the tentioner top is some form of plastic and again depends on how it's been driving in its life time. I'm at 74k from 67k and touch wood all is well so far. where's the fecking wood 

[Juliand]

Isn't the chain supposed to be a lifetime item?

That's the issue, along with others (cam follower etc etc) that are clearly poorly designed, and seem to be failing on low mileage, sub 50k engines...plus the poor design of the front wing assembly, leading to premature rust.

Cars with 150k, ok, these things can be accepted, but not the low mileage examples we've been hearing about - just not right....

[r5gtt]

Nothing in life is guaranteed.
It's pretty stupid for low milers to have these issues but my guess is, it's how we drive them hard and becaiae of the cheap plastic they use for the chain tensioner that are causing premature failure. As said my tt mk1 152k and was still going strong when it sold in Sep 2015 no complaints with the bam engine. This tfsi engine is a good engine but maintenence is mandatory and cam follower at 20k intervals max imho. cam chain tentioner should also be checked one a year and replaced if yom worn. saying thay when I get the chance how does one check the tolerance on the chain?. @Dan_FR or anyone in the know. Thanks is it through vagcom

[Dan_FR]

Longlife oil servicing with 5w30 won't be helping guys. There is certainly no guarantee that the chain is a lifetime item. It is not a service item like a timing belt, but neither is a clutch, alternator or starter and they all wear out and need replacing.

It's not chain stretch that is the issue, but an issue with the tensioner which has only shown up several years later after many thousands road miles. For the most part the tensioner is just noisy and not in danger of failing. Peskyjones being the exception but I don't know the history of the car.

The cam follower is not the greatest of designs but there is no issue with them on a standard untuned car serviced regularly.  The problems occur when tuned, especially where an upgraded pump is used. VAG since fixed this with the TSI engine and moving to a roller follower, 4 lobes driving the pump and a much shorter lift (extra weight of the roller follower). Don't forget guys the gen 1 tfsi engine was the first for VAG using high pressure direct injection on petrol turbo's..... of course there will be issues which will be improved upon as the design is refined. Take Formula 1 engines and how far they have improved since the current engine rules were introduced a couple of years ago.

Again the front wing is a design flaw which is only appearing many years since design and testing was done.

[Craig Stanley]

Would you recommend shorter service intervals with  a slightly thicker oil Dan. Mine doesn't use a drop but its being mapped next month and want to make sure its ok.

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[Dan_FR]

I'd certainly recommend a 5w40 oil and annual changes at a minimum, on a mapped car. Hard to put a mileage on it as that will depend a lot on how the car is used. I've found oil consumption increases a lot with hard driving.

Mine uses next to nothing when driving gently / motorway cruising but drinks the stuff when hooning around

[Craig Stanley]

Cheers bud. I've done all the necessary for it to be mapped but want to make sure it stays well maintained from now. :)

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[ReflexRob]

I agree that you can research the problems with cars to a point but should the average lay person really need to spend more than a couple of hours doing this on a Volkswagen - a marque proud of quality? I did just that before buying (I don't ever buy a car blind) but not every owner seemed to have all of the problems I listed, in fact I have seen more posts in the last 12 months appearing all the time relating to people suffering the vast majority of my complaints rather than one or two. Independent buyers guides pick up only 30% of the problems I have actually experienced - thank god I didn't get a DSG or I would no doubt have had the control unit failure on that system as well.

I can accept the thermostat sticking and the cam chain rattle - annoying but easily remedied (costly for the latter though). What I find hard to swallow is the wings turning from fine to bubbling within 3 months (design flaw), the failure of a revG DV after 3 months (design flaw on a supposedly redesigned unit at least 4 revisions in the making), no mention of cam followers wearing out in VW service schedule (I was only made aware of this through the mass of posts on this good club or I may well have had hpfp and camshaft replacement to add to the list) and inlet valves so clogged up with carbon after a mere 48000 miles that they require cleaning to restore idle smoothness (such a basic thing in a motorcar) on top of the cam chain rattle and and thermostat. I've not mentioned changing the 3rd brake light that is a common failure - again thanks to this club it cost me only £40 and not £400 that VW wanted. I mean, who designs a 3rd brake light that needs the spoiler breaking off to replace it?

If you cannot admit that the above are a hell of a lot of problems for a performance car of average output from a supposed prestigious manufacturer then I fear people are just blind to the failings of the car. When it is all working well then it is indeed a great car worthy of its high praise - hopefully I will get it all sorted and it last many more miles before any come back but the RevG DV experience has left me bemused.

[Craig Stanley]

My top brake light has failed aswell. How did it only cost you £40.:interested:

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[Craig Stanley]

I bought a 2007 Golf 1.4gt from a dealer just before I got my gti and that had dsg. Cut a long story short but it was shagged and luckily I got my money back after 6 weeks of him trying to sort it. 60,000 miles only, 1 owner from new, full history. Oh yeah! Lumpy idle and the engine sounded like sh**e.(Camchain). The gti I bought private and its cost me about £1500 in 2 months. Been in Indys more than out on the road. Unfortunately not alot I can do about it now apart from crack on. :gutted:

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