*** All your bluefin/superchips questions and answers in here please.

[SteveP]

Thats one of the problems you get if you order an 'off-the-shelf' remap... its why I went with Revo and had JKM install it.  I seem to recall Keith from JKM saying something about a cylinder misfiring or something but that it wasn't serious and that they had adjusted the settings to take care of it.  Never had a problem with my Revo map.  Of course, you could get a tuner to install the SC remap and again, I'm sure that would be better than remapping your ecu on your own.  Ready for the  from SC owners 

IMHO it's not an "off the self / diy" remap, it is a remap developed like most other tuners on specific cars and then mass distirbuted via a different method. I believe in it's standard form it brings a remap suitable for people who are generally less interested in doing further mods, but for the likes of me and a a few others on here can provide an upgrade path without charging £50+ per time. 

Also why would a company like JKM sell the SC stuff if they didn't think it was up to the job? 

[john_o]

cmon guys this aint a my maps better than yours contest, we all have opinions 
The maps are all in the same 'group' as SteveP states.

The issue with any map is that it pushes components closer to their limits than stock, esp it appears for ED30 tunes.
My belief is some tuners push the envelope more than others.
Also the variances in each car mean the limits can be at different points. 
As well as how up to the job the OE components are at point of remap.
Problems can also be seen straight after remap, or even a few thousand miles later. (e.g. coilpack failure)

My issues werent found at Prosport RR day but happened after, so even a setting up session may not have helped or found an issue. (even if the APR software allowed adjustment! which it doesnt....)
REVO's big selling point is adjustability which can either take you to max hp, or even allow you to 'dial' around a problem to some extent.
SC big selling point is remote mapping which is a huge benefit for some

Each to their own, but I know my reasons for choosing and each and every person has theirs too. (for which we can all justify lol)
Ive always been concerned that small changes in REVO settings can cause DTCs so for me thats too close to the envelope (esp as im not going to be putting ££ into hrs of rr tuning), but in no way would i discourage others, as REVO gets great power and reliability seems solid.
Re SC I'm not a fan and have my opinions, but it seems to work well, good power with many (my biggest concerns have been around the changing low and high power maps etc)

Lets keep the info coming    I'm very interested to see how this turns out, both for me and gareth.
(remember the same fault codes dont indicate the same issue!)

REVO/SC/APR/GIAC , if we all had the same map this forum would be dull.

In the end do your research (hrs of info on the web esp on golfmkv.com) and choose a mapping company that works around the parameters that you need. (cost/location/after sales service/adjustability etc), and just because brand A suits your needs today doesnt mean others wont in the future.

[illyun]

i posted a link earlier where a Revo owner had the same issue 

I know.  I had issues too when JKM put the Revo map on and they were sorted immediately though.  Moral of the story is to get your car mapped by a competent garage/technican.

Ooops... I think people are getting the wrong message here!  I'm not knocking SC here - although I have been a bit suspicious of them in the past thanks to TT  - but am just saying that its better to go to a JKM/Awesome/BBToys etc.. to get your car remapped regardless of what map you are getting be it Revo/GIAC/APR or God forbid, even Superchips     

[Greeners]

Fair comments Illyun 

As said previously I can only really comment on SC and each and every time I have had questions over any aspect of the map they have offered to look at the car at their HQ FOC.

And to add to this thread, my Stage2 map giving me 324bhp hasn't given me so much as a hiccup in around 1000 miles. I will be at SC HQ on Friday and will report my findings here once Im home! 

[john_o]

and in the essence of fairness I should also point out that a RR session with a remap should always be done imho.
APR@Awesome dont routinely (and i think they should).  REVO dealers some do , some dont.

I can already see the myriad of excuses from Santa Pod on the 2nd  (probably mine  )

[SO8]

As said previously I can only really comment on SC and each and every time I have had questions over any aspect of the map they have offered to look at the car at their HQ FOC.

And to add to this thread, my Stage2 map giving me 324bhp hasn't given me so much as a hiccup in around 1000 miles.

 

No hiccups either with my old stage 1 DSG Superchips map over 1500 miles .... or the new Stage 1 map over a good few hundred ....  SC RR'd my car FoC twice on separate visits to allay my concerns (which were brought about from reading in the main other forums) which I thought was excellent.

I am sure they will check the car over but it seems to me that it isn't going to be the map but something VW put on some cars of a slightly different spec to most others which doesn't like the maps.  S3's with GIAC software have also had this type of problem according to the forums.  Hopefully the tuners can narrow it down so we all know what is doing it ! 

[garethmk1]

Ok .. spoke to superchips.  They said they have not yet dealt with any similar issues on the S3/ED30/Cupra remaps as yet.  He stated that it would not be coil pack related as the coil packs are a revision to those fitted to the standard 200PS GTi.  I questioned them on the requested vs actual fuel pressure, noting that other remaps can request 130 bar at various points and circumstances throughout the rev range.  He told me that superchips never increase the line pressure past 110bar even in stage 2 application, so it's not that.  I exclusilvly run the ED30 on Tesco 99, which superchips state they see 310 - 325 bhp on standard cars with remap stg1 and Tesco 99 fuel.  I asked whether I should try running octane booster and they said that it would cause no harm to try .... in short they weren't too sure.  They also asked, how much fuel the car had in it and also how often the car is used - assuming trying to ascertain whether the 99 had "gone off" so to speak.  It had 1/2 tank of fuel at the time which they should should be sufficient and would not cause demand issues.  They stated that they would not be concerned, to clear the fault codes and see if it happens again in the same circumstance, WOT 4th gear 6000 - 7000 rpm. They said if it occured again to reflash to stock, drive around on stock for a day and then reflash back to remap.  If the problem persits to recontact them for and they'll tweak the map for me.

Interesingly they said:-

ED30 RON 95 = 290bhp
ED30 RON 95 & Octane Booster = 300bhp
ED30 Tesco 99 = 300 - 325bhp

Above confirmed from their RR dyno plots.

Plan of attack :-

Will attempt to re create the circumstance today in same place and see what happens.  If CEL flashes again - will swap to stock map and drive around for a day and flash back.  If still persists will try adding octane booster, if persists further will recontact superchips.  They also stated that I should not be concerned at this stage.

Very promising so far - it didn't happen last night on way to work on limiter in 3rd 

Regards,

Gareth

[DavyP]

It will be interesting to see how SC sort this problem out.  Its a bit discouraging reading when remaps go wrong.   I can definately see the benefits of the Bluefin unit, but when I read the problems that have occured (including the low powered map) I can't help feel its best too have the mapping done and checked by a specialist tuner.

 Bearing in mind its an expensive vehicle being remapped imho its worth the inconvenience of time and travel.

[john_o]

cheers Gareth for the update, sounds just like mine, sometimes its just fine!
Mine is def more prone to doing so after a period of gentle use then a blast.
Continous blasting and it was less frequent.

Hopefully I will get an update soon from APR USA about mine and will post as soon as I do.

He told me that superchips never increase the line pressure past 110bar even in stage 2 application

not wishing to go OT or criticise but thats just 

let us know how it goes.....

[182_blue]

perhaps a dodgy bit of petrol ?, or dodgy batch, or even just a glitch, i have read that mapped cars and non mapped cars have had simillar issues , i reckon you are ok, enjoy the car again, if it comes back back to SC 

[vRStu]

I think many of you have posted links to or have read similar threads with other SW so as you can see it is a 'known' issue which affects some cars.  The current REVO thinking is that (certainly with respect to S3) there has been a change in Down Pipe design on newer cars which increases the chances of this happening, they recommend a larger DP and CAT.  For me, for now, I'll sit on the fence with that one.

I think (and this is only my opinion) that it's simply a case of exploring the boundries of capability with these engines, REVO obviously have seen lots of it as they always push for the big numbers, APR not too far behind them but until now SC have remained quite conservative.  Of late their (SC) customer base have been demanding greater numbers which has forced them into slightly unknown territory and hence I believe you are now seeing the side effects of that.  The more you push the closer to the wind you sail.

Again, IMHO, it is nothing to do with who's map is best (certainly not in this 'shootout' although I could add a couple of undesirables to the list), you are as I said above finding the limitations of the engine and it's components.  I bang on about it all the time but SC/Bluefin is a product aimed at a specific market and (until now) that has been a vastly different market to that that REVO/APR aim at. If you want bigger numbers then SC/BF has traditionally not been the place to go, however they have seen that the market demands it and they have followed suit.  SC/BF is ideal for it's simplicty and recently the amazing price.

Some of the S3 boys have had success with changing the injectors on the 'problematic' cylinders.

One more thing, whilst I appreciate that SC/BF is a code reader, if you want to push the boundries you gotta get VCDS and start doing some logging and paying attention to your car and what it's doing.

[garethmk1]

I think many of you have posted links to or have read similar threads with other SW so as you can see it is a 'known' issue which affects some cars.  The current REVO thinking is that (certainly with respect to S3) there has been a change in Down Pipe design on newer cars which increases the chances of this happening, they recommend a larger DP and CAT.  For me, for now, I'll sit on the fence with that one.

I think (and this is only my opinion) that it's simply a case of exploring the boundries of capability with these engines, REVO obviously have seen lots of it as they always push for the big numbers, APR not too far behind them but until now SC have remained quite conservative.  Of late their (SC) customer base have been demanding greater numbers which has forced them into slightly unknown territory and hence I believe you are now seeing the side effects of that.  The more you push the closer to the wind you sail.

Again, IMHO, it is nothing to do with who's map is best (certainly not in this 'shootout' although I could add a couple of undesirables to the list), you are as I said above finding the limitations of the engine and it's components.  I bang on about it all the time but SC/Bluefin is a product aimed at a specific market and (until now) that has been a vastly different market to that that REVO/APR aim at. If you want bigger numbers then SC/BF has traditionally not been the place to go, however they have seen that the market demands it and they have followed suit.  SC/BF is ideal for it's simplicty and recently the amazing price.

Some of the S3 boys have had success with changing the injectors on the 'problematic' cylinders.

One more thing, whilst I appreciate that SC/BF is a code reader, if you want to push the boundries you gotta get VCDS and start doing some logging and paying attention to your car and what it's doing.

Very well written reply, I agree whole heartedly with you.

Ok .. spoke to superchips.  They said they have not yet dealt with any similar issues on the S3/ED30/Cupra remaps as yet.  He stated that it would not be coil pack related as the coil packs are a revision to those fitted to the standard 200PS GTi.  I questioned them on the requested vs actual fuel pressure, noting that other remaps can request 130 bar at various points and circumstances throughout the rev range.  He told me that superchips never increase the line pressure past 110bar even in stage 2 application, so it's not that.  I exclusilvly run the ED30 on Tesco 99, which superchips state they see 310 - 325 bhp on standard cars with remap stg1 and Tesco 99 fuel.  I asked whether I should try running octane booster and they said that it would cause no harm to try .... in short they weren't too sure.  They also asked, how much fuel the car had in it and also how often the car is used - assuming trying to ascertain whether the 99 had "gone off" so to speak.  It had 1/2 tank of fuel at the time which they should should be sufficient and would not cause demand issues.  They stated that they would not be concerned, to clear the fault codes and see if it happens again in the same circumstance, WOT 4th gear 6000 - 7000 rpm. They said if it occured again to reflash to stock, drive around on stock for a day and then reflash back to remap.  If the problem persits to recontact them for and they'll tweak the map for me.

Interesingly they said:-

ED30 RON 95 = 290bhp
ED30 RON 95 & Octane Booster = 300bhp
ED30 Tesco 99 = 300 - 325bhp

Above confirmed from their RR dyno plots.

Plan of attack :-

Will attempt to re create the circumstance today in same place and see what happens.  If CEL flashes again - will swap to stock map and drive around for a day and flash back.  If still persists will try adding octane booster, if persists further will recontact superchips.  They also stated that I should not be concerned at this stage.

Very promising so far - it didn't happen last night on way to work on limiter in 3rd 

Regards,

Gareth

Bit of an update for you guys, I tried flashing back to standard, drove around for a day.  It was actually a very interesting experience, I have realised HOW MUCH MORE you get when remapped.  Power delivery was exactly the same, but without the huge surge in power you get at 2500rpm with bluefin.  Any way used all the remaining fuel, went back to Tesco's and filled with 99 and flashed back to Bluefin.  Within 50 miles of relashing, pressing on, rev limiter 3rd gear and misfire and flashing managment light - DOH !!

Recontacted Superchips, they have sent out a new map with slightly lower power on thevery top of the rev range.... but .... I haven't loaded it as yet.  I feel that dropping power at the top is more of a quick fix than a total solution to a problem that is causing a misfire.  haven't even downloaded it to bluefin device as yet.  Superhips told me that I wouldn't notice the difference, but am really concerned that I will !! Especially with the Pod coming up - am really hoping to go. 

So ... am just debating whether to contect device and d/load new map or just having to change up earlier.   I spoke to them about the possibility of too much fuel at one increment of the rev range at WOT but they stated that this should definatly not be the case.

Ah well, anyway am well used to it now.  In the wet it is interesting, 4th and 5th gear wheelspin is quite amusing, and in the dry the performance is nothing short of breathtaking, I mean 2500rpm 6th gear overtake and pin you to the seat 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[182_blue]

well, its a hard one, mine does not do that, i tried it especially for you  , not sure what to suggest really, have you thought about visiting there HQ

[fastismycopilot]

I tried a Bluefin around a year ago, just after I'd had the Milltek put on. Got a refund after a week as although the power was there, I couldn't live with the misfire and 'roughness' the map bought to the car. Yes I have less power now, but it's far more enjoyable to drive.

Having said that, Superchips were the very model of excellent customer service. I can't praise them highly enough for that, they did everything in their power to sort it out and I have no doubt they'd have got to the bottom of it eventually. The problem was it was taking away the enjoyment from driving my car and if I kept trying to find a misfire under acceleration with a Milltek fitted it'd only be a matter of time before the boys in blue 'took an interest'.

I might try a Revo in the future, then again I might not. I'm very happy with the car I've got at the moment and will only look at changing things when I'm getting bored. At least I won't have the temptation of any Revo offers at GTI International this year as I'll be going to Glastonbury instead! 

[garethmk1]

I think the car if anything is smoother, not sure what you mean be "roughness".  Secondly, can I take it that you had a misfire problem also ?  What did Bluefin try to change in order to rectify the problem in your case ?

Regards,

Gareth