Seems I need some new mods to get a map

[Spankiee]

on the phone he told me stage 2 is what i have to have. i only have 3 inch turbo back with 200 cell cat.?

[AJP]

on the phone he told me stage 2 is what i have to have. i only have 3 inch turbo back with 200 cell cat.?

Anything with a bigger downpipe and decat/sport cat is Stage 2 with R-Tech.

[Spankiee]

ok  just didn't tally up with that list on the first page.

[AJP]

ok  just didn't tally up with that list on the first page.

The list on the website is more of a recommended spec than minimum requirement.

[PhilNUK]

Thanks for the replies guys..

Yeah I think I have f*cked up as I only really wanted Stage 1 numbers and didn't realise I'd entered into a world of a money pit by adding the sports cat.. So now I'm not sure whether to stay as the car is or just take the plunge..

If I do get the hpfp and go Stage 2 then am I looking at even worse mpg numbers or does the map help improve mpg?

[Dan_FR]

You don't NEED any of it, you can just have a sports car and take it to Niki for Stage 2 mapping as it is. All of the mods mentioned are to extract maximum performance - just be honest when filling in the spec sheet

MPG when pootling around will be no different really, as the cars run at Lambda 1 with maximum timing for MPG/efficiency anyway, but obviously the first few weeks of honing about won't be wallet friendly

[rich83]

Haha. My car has had some kind of Map on it for 4 years now. Still struggle to get above 25mpg average. Fun though.

[AJP]

Not so, Dan. The HPFP upgrade I mentioned I needed wasn't to extract maximum performance. It was to cure the fuel cuts I was getting after the Stage 2 map.

Going over old ground here anyway. Nobody seems to actually read threads properly.

OP, good luck with your car.

[Dan_FR]

Not so, Dan. The HPFP upgrade I mentioned I needed wasn't to extract maximum performance. It was to cure the fuel cuts I was getting after the Stage 2 map.

Going over old ground here anyway. Nobody seems to actually read threads properly.

OP, good luck with your car.

If it was needed to stop fuel cuts then either the stock pump was failing or the map was asking for too much of the standard pump and needed load/pressure requests capped further which I'm sure the tuner would do. Not ideal if not local but often peak load situations don't show themselves on a dyno

The whole point of the 'stage 2' or '2+' mapping is to differentiate between the requirement of a HPFP upgrade

[AJP]

I know. And as such, I wasn't expecting the Stage 2 map to ask too much of my standard pump. I think I'd heard of this once before with an R-Tech Stage 2 map. Maybe I was the lucky number two.

Anyway, I think it's wise to say that you can't guarantee a standard pump will always be ok with a Stage 2 map.

[PhilNUK]

cheers guys and very welcome information

What about clutch? anyone had issue with stock clutch at 2 or 2+?

[AJP]

Yeah, mine started slipping when I got past about 320lb/ft. I'm not saying yours definitely will (before anyone jumps in).

I reckon if your clutch is good now there's a good chance it'll cope with Stage 2. There's no real way of knowing. I'd say it's a good idea to at least budget for a clutch.

I decided to replace mine with a Helix uprated clutch with oem flywheel. They take up to 400lb/ft or thereabouts, feels like stock, except for a heavier pedal.

I couldn't rule out being close to 400lb/ft in the future so it made sense for me to upgrade.

[pudding]

Anyway, I think it's wise to say that you can't guarantee a standard pump will always be ok with a Stage 2 map.

Mine wasn't with stage 1, let alone 2! It couldn't support 1.5bar boost, and it wasn't going much over 120bar.   Some cars need a pump, some don't.  We even tried a brand new OEM HPFP, no difference. More flow was required, so Loba to the rescue.