Toureg and Q7 calipers

[th3_f15t]

With most OE wheels an 8-10mm spacer is required, for most after market wheels you'll need a 5-8mm spacer and with racing focused wheels like Team Dynamics Pro Race 1.2's you'll get away with none or up to a 5mm (which is what I run on my TD 1.2's with these brakes).

Worth noting that if you're going to buy after market wheels for these brakes at some point, look at the Tiguan fitment as these run a lower offset which means you won't require a spacer. For example, 6R fitment is an offset of ET45 usually for wheels but if you look at wheels for a Tiguan then they use a lower offset, about ET40 which is effective a 5mm spacer already made into the wheel for you.

[r5gtt]

With Omanyts 18'':

You're a star @Shoduchi  wait till I get those Z18 on 

[r5gtt]

You'll definitely need spacers.

Not to bore the thread with talk of old cars (as if that'd happen...) but on my old mk4 I fitted Brembo 4 pots (Cupra R). It was incredibly low. To clear the calipers I had to fit 8mm H&R spacers. Once the spacers were on, I then had to roll the arches. Once I'd rolled the arches, I then had all the fun and games of dodgy corrosive things going on, grit stuck to a tyre fouling the arch, etc. The brakes were great, the car looked great, but all the rest of it was a total pain in the arse.

Granted, it was silly-low. I'm not sure if you plan on lowering yours but if you do, it's one thing to be mindful of.

I might move on to coilovers at some point, and when I do, I don't really want any of the fun and games I had with the mk4. So the mk7 calipers appealed to me. I'm on BBS VZ, which are 8 wide and et44 rather than the 7.5 wide and et51 (I think) of your R32 wheels, so I'm already poking about 13mm closer to the arch. If I had to space, I'd want to space with proper wheelcentric spacers (the ones with a lip/spigot for the wheel to centre on). These, as far as I know, can only be had in 8/10mm upwards. That'd be too much for me. I'd probably foul the arch even on the H&R springs it's sitting on now. You've got more room to play with with your wheels (arch-wise), but even so, it's worth some thought.

I don't mind 15mm spacers front and rear which was my original plan and did buy a set but they don't fit the car so Hubcentric all the way imho as I don't do flat spacers.

lowering on Eibach springs soon very very soon maybe even next week as ive got a full week off work 

My mk1 tt had 20mm up front to clear the LCR brembos and 15mm on the rear. as I had to swop the spacers around due to fitting problems with the deep dish ACE wheels I was running. loved the stance with 40mm lowered too. don't know how the gti will get on though but I'm forever the optimist 
oh I am on ET51. 

[Stupots]

I hope you guys don't mind me jumping in on this one. Test fitted (and if successful actually fit and bleed) this lot yesterday...



as @Shoduchi had already said, I would likely need spacers on OEM fitment (my Rotors are 18" 7.5 ET51) and he wasn't wrong...



This is a shot of the top of the caliper sitting proud of the spoke. The face of the caliper is only about 3mm from fitting in the wheel, but because the 18Z maintains this outer surface so far into the middle of the wheel, you need some serious clearance nearer the center, I'd say 10mm at least. I really don't want to run spacers and don't really want to go 8s, so I'll likely be selling this setup and going the mk7 R caliper route as per @AJP  It's only got to be good for a 300bhp daily driver, so the R brakes will be fine.

Lets face it, I got caught up by the brake porn 

Stu

[AJP]

That's useful info mate, thanks for sharing.

The way things are going for my car at the minute I simply don't have the budget for a BBK, even if I could get it to fit.

I'm running 270bhp, at this rate I will be for a while, so like you say the mk7 R option is probably best for that kind of power.

@R5GTT I think your plan of 15mm is probably about right with your wheels. They would then poke about 2mm more than my BBS; with Eibach being a similar drop to my H&R I'd confidently say you'll avoid any arch fouling.

[Flyingscotsman]

Thanks for sharing @Stupots Very helpful 
I'm also going to go down the Mk7 R route.  Are those 340mm rotors in the picture?

[Paradox1]

I hope you guys don't mind me jumping in on this one. Test fitted (and if successful actually fit and bleed) this lot yesterday...



as @Shoduchi had already said, I would likely need spacers on OEM fitment (my Rotors are 18" 7.5 ET51) and he wasn't wrong...



This is a shot of the top of the caliper sitting proud of the spoke. The face of the caliper is only about 3mm from fitting in the wheel, but because the 18Z maintains this outer surface so far into the middle of the wheel, you need some serious clearance nearer the center, I'd say 10mm at least. I really don't want to run spacers and don't really want to go 8s, so I'll likely be selling this setup and going the mk7 R caliper route as per @AJP  It's only got to be good for a 300bhp daily driver, so the R brakes will be fine.

Lets face it, I got caught up by the brake porn 

Stu

This is for mk5/5x112 right? not sure why you needs the brackets as im sure you only need the mounting bolts??

[Stupots]

@Flyingscotsman They're 350mm Zimmermann Zcoat Merc discs. I didn't bother test fitting the discs, as I know they fit. This picture better shows the naughty bits (in red) with my stock discs. I guess a measurement from the face of my stock discs to the outside of caliper would help everyone thinking about fitting these, but alas, I didn't do that.



@Paradox1 they're not brackets, that's the posh fitting kit. I really dislike the bolts/bit of stainless steel pipe/nut kits that are available online and @Shoduchi put me on to this proper kit from Epytec here: http://tinyurl.com/zskt9x3 I know it's £100 and you can get mounting hardware kits for £40 and make one up yourself for £10, but I thought why risk it with front brakes? 

Stu

[Stupots]

I'm not sure what I'm embarrassed by the most, how dirty everything is or how many weights there are!

[Shoduchi]

I have a friend with Talladega reps with the ET45 and 8Jx18 that just needed to shave a bit of the calipers before painting them to get them to fit without spacers.



I'm still waiting to receive the better adaptor kit from Epytec that will be fitted when I remove the SuperPro ball joints. The ET of the MB ML450 discs is incompatible with biggert ball joints: TT and SuperPro.

[r5gtt]

How much for the set @Stupots and are your wheels curved inward?.

[r5gtt]

That's useful info mate, thanks for sharing.

The way things are going for my car at the minute I simply don't have the budget for a BBK, even if I could get it to fit.

I'm running 270bhp, at this rate I will be for a while, so like you say the mk7 R option is probably best for that kind of power.

@R5GTT I think your plan of 15mm is probably about right with your wheels. They would then poke about 2mm more than my BBS; with Eibach being a similar drop to my H&R I'd confidently say you'll avoid any arch fouling.

I'm hoping you're right @AJP as I would like decent braking as the brakes are appalling on the oem set up even with 200 horses.

[Paradox1]

That's useful info mate, thanks for sharing.

The way things are going for my car at the minute I simply don't have the budget for a BBK, even if I could get it to fit.

I'm running 270bhp, at this rate I will be for a while, so like you say the mk7 R option is probably best for that kind of power.

@R5GTT I think your plan of 15mm is probably about right with your wheels. They would then poke about 2mm more than my BBS; with Eibach being a similar drop to my H&R I'd confidently say you'll avoid any arch fouling.

I'm hoping you're right @AJP as I would like decent braking as the brakes are appalling on the oem set up even with 200 horses.

I agree!

I thought it was my driving at first but surely I can drive that hard in such a short space of time. The stock brake dont fill me with confidence at all.

I'll test fit the caliper once I order my spacer to give you an idea as we have simular sized  alloys

[Stupots]

How much for the set @Stupots and are your wheels curved inward?.

I'll have to be sure this is what I'm doing; getting rid and going R/R32 route, as I've only had 24 hours to come to terms ;) I won't be giving them away, but am not looking to maximise profit or anything. It would be ballpark £650-700 inc delivery for everything, not interested in splitting, they are all decent quality parts that I've sourced to put this kit together. The calipers are dated Oct 2012 from a 2013 vehicle, so won't need a refurb if you're happy with the colour.

Yes, I guess my wheels do curve inwards (in the center).

That's pretty good news @Shoduchi If I do decide to shave them, I'd probably only need 3-5mm spacers, which I'd be happy with. That blue caliper with black wheel combo looks nice!

[Shoduchi]

How much for the set @Stupots and are your wheels curved inward?.

I'll have to be sure this is what I'm doing; getting rid and going R/R32 route, as I've only had 24 hours to come to terms ;) I won't be giving them away, but am not looking to maximise profit or anything. It would be ballpark £650-700 inc delivery for everything, not interested in splitting, they are all decent quality parts that I've sourced to put this kit together. The calipers are dated Oct 2012 from a 2013 vehicle, so won't need a refurb if you're happy with the colour.

Yes, I guess my wheels do curve inwards (in the center).

That's pretty good news @Shoduchi If I do decide to shave them, I'd probably only need 3-5mm spacers, which I'd be happy with. That blue caliper with black wheel combo looks nice!

Spoke design matters a lot. I think you can shave off 2-3 mm since they're so buff.