AJP's Build - back in love with the GTI

[AJP]

Your car looks spot on. Im glad your happy with the new coilovers.

If you havent already, its well worth getting front a rear anti rollbars. They truly do handle like its on rails. the turn in is even more direct.

Thanks mate

Yeah ARBs are on the long list of things to do. Will probably look at sorting the wishbone bushes too, either an ALK or TT/S3 bush.

Slowly but surely it's coming together.

Not sure what condition your current bushes are in but if there not causing a problem or are badly worn I wouldnt bother. imi so pleased with my car with the way it handles im not going to bother with wishbone bushes until they need replacing or start to affect the way the car hands.

Just enjoy the car how it is now.

Fair point. It's never been a job I've been desperate to do, just one of those 'maybes' on the list. I hear good and bad about the Anti Lift Kits anyway. We'll see.

I'd rather put any money towards a K04 fund than anything else if I'm really honest

[Paradox1]

Your car looks spot on. Im glad your happy with the new coilovers.

If you havent already, its well worth getting front a rear anti rollbars. They truly do handle like its on rails. the turn in is even more direct.

Thanks mate

Yeah ARBs are on the long list of things to do. Will probably look at sorting the wishbone bushes too, either an ALK or TT/S3 bush.

Slowly but surely it's coming together.

Not sure what condition your current bushes are in but if there not causing a problem or are badly worn I wouldnt bother. imi so pleased with my car with the way it handles im not going to bother with wishbone bushes until they need replacing or start to affect the way the car hands.

Just enjoy the car how it is now.

Fair point. It's never been a job I've been desperate to do, just one of those 'maybes' on the list. I hear good and bad about the Anti Lift Kits anyway. We'll see.

I'd rather put any money towards a K04 fund than anything else if I'm really honest

Im in the same boat mate. My dilema now is k04 of hybrid k04 lol

[AJP]

Your car looks spot on. Im glad your happy with the new coilovers.

If you havent already, its well worth getting front a rear anti rollbars. They truly do handle like its on rails. the turn in is even more direct.

Thanks mate

Yeah ARBs are on the long list of things to do. Will probably look at sorting the wishbone bushes too, either an ALK or TT/S3 bush.

Slowly but surely it's coming together.

Not sure what condition your current bushes are in but if there not causing a problem or are badly worn I wouldnt bother. imi so pleased with my car with the way it handles im not going to bother with wishbone bushes until they need replacing or start to affect the way the car hands.

Just enjoy the car how it is now.

Fair point. It's never been a job I've been desperate to do, just one of those 'maybes' on the list. I hear good and bad about the Anti Lift Kits anyway. We'll see.

I'd rather put any money towards a K04 fund than anything else if I'm really honest

Im in the same boat mate. My dilema now is k04 of hybrid k04 lol

I haven't even considered a hybrid k04. BWA and 400lb/ft+ means forged internals to me. Or at least a BYD/CDL bottom end. Is that something you're looking at?

I do like the sound of an anti surge K04 though. @dansmith180 has the BBT one, and his graph looks bloody nice. No problems ramping the boost up early. On paper it barely looks laggier than a K03.

[pudding]

You two still run standard console bushes? 

Get a TTE420 

All this forging stuff is a nice idea, but it's not an infallible suit of armor.  It just stops the engine from blowing quite as easily as it would with cast pistons and rods.  There is a lot of scaremongery on the TFSI tuning group from members who push things too far by running standard KO4s at 2 bar, mapped in hard cut limiters, anti-lag flames and bangs........and they wonder why they get smoke from their exhausts and break their ring lands.

You don't need to run 400lbft.  For one thing the manual box is only rated to 320lbft (by VW themselves) and secondly, sometimes less is more.  More traction!  350lbft is mechanically safer but also gives less wheelspin than 400lbft.  I've seen people blowing rear diffs on S3s on, surprise surprise, the TFSI group running that kind of torque.   So I suppose what I'm rattling on about is, yeah, get a hybrid but don't run it flat out.  Keep some headroom there.  
 

[Paradox1]

Your car looks spot on. Im glad your happy with the new coilovers.

If you havent already, its well worth getting front a rear anti rollbars. They truly do handle like its on rails. the turn in is even more direct.

Thanks mate

Yeah ARBs are on the long list of things to do. Will probably look at sorting the wishbone bushes too, either an ALK or TT/S3 bush.

Slowly but surely it's coming together.

Not sure what condition your current bushes are in but if there not causing a problem or are badly worn I wouldnt bother. imi so pleased with my car with the way it handles im not going to bother with wishbone bushes until they need replacing or start to affect the way the car hands.

Just enjoy the car how it is now.

Fair point. It's never been a job I've been desperate to do, just one of those 'maybes' on the list. I hear good and bad about the Anti Lift Kits anyway. We'll see.

I'd rather put any money towards a K04 fund than anything else if I'm really honest

Im in the same boat mate. My dilema now is k04 of hybrid k04 lol

I haven't even considered a hybrid k04. BWA and 400lb/ft+ means forged internals to me. Or at least a BYD/CDL bottom end. Is that something you're looking at?

I do like the sound of an anti surge K04 though. @dansmith180 has the BBT one, and his graph looks bloody nice. No problems ramping the boost up early. On paper it barely looks laggier than a K03.

Yes If I do decide to rebuild as a standard k04 it will definitely have the anti surge wheel. I have a TSI engine so I dont have the typical BWA problems. Still wouldnt mind switchable maps though.

[Paradox1]

You two still run standard console bushes? 

Get a TTE420 

All this forging stuff is a nice idea, but it's not an infallible suit of armor.  It just stops the engine from blowing quite as easily as it would with cast pistons and rods.  There is a lot of scaremongery on the TFSI tuning group from members who push things too far by running standard KO4s at 2 bar, mapped in hard cut limiters, anti-lag flames and bangs........and they wonder why they get smoke from their exhausts and break their ring lands.

You don't need to run 400lbft.  For one thing the manual box is only rated to 320lbft (by VW themselves) and secondly, sometimes less is more.  More traction!  350lbft is mechanically safer but also gives less wheelspin than 400lbft.  I've seen people blowing rear diffs on S3s on, surprise surprise, the TFSI group running that kind of torque.   So I suppose what I'm rattling on about is, yeah, get a hybrid but don't run it flat out.  Keep some headroom there.

The TTE420 is a decent turbo but im not willing to spend the money on it tbh. there are other people who can rebuild a k04 that is a decent spec for less money. not saying more power that TTE but you get my drift.

I wouldnt want 400+ everyday, id like it keep this below the limit just incase. You alwasy hear of people getting mapped with XXX turbo then end up selling or or breaking it as it develops problems. for me I want the power(not flat out) but more so I want the reliability. All a compromise.

Like you said 350bhp/tq would put a smile on our faces, its just people get a bit greedy for power knowing you can gain more. If I can get 380ish from a rebuild k04, a TTE420 hardly seems worth the cost for an extra 40bhp

[AJP]

Your car looks spot on. Im glad your happy with the new coilovers.

If you havent already, its well worth getting front a rear anti rollbars. They truly do handle like its on rails. the turn in is even more direct.

Thanks mate

Yeah ARBs are on the long list of things to do. Will probably look at sorting the wishbone bushes too, either an ALK or TT/S3 bush.

Slowly but surely it's coming together.

Not sure what condition your current bushes are in but if there not causing a problem or are badly worn I wouldnt bother. imi so pleased with my car with the way it handles im not going to bother with wishbone bushes until they need replacing or start to affect the way the car hands.

Just enjoy the car how it is now.

Fair point. It's never been a job I've been desperate to do, just one of those 'maybes' on the list. I hear good and bad about the Anti Lift Kits anyway. We'll see.

I'd rather put any money towards a K04 fund than anything else if I'm really honest

Im in the same boat mate. My dilema now is k04 of hybrid k04 lol

I haven't even considered a hybrid k04. BWA and 400lb/ft+ means forged internals to me. Or at least a BYD/CDL bottom end. Is that something you're looking at?

I do like the sound of an anti surge K04 though. @dansmith180 has the BBT one, and his graph looks bloody nice. No problems ramping the boost up early. On paper it barely looks laggier than a K03.

Yes If I do decide to rebuild as a standard k04 it will definitely have the anti surge wheel. I have a TSI engine so I dont have the typical BWA problems. Still wouldnt mind switchable maps though.

Ahhh mk6? I don't know too much about the 888. It's a fair bit stronger then?

You've saved on a fuel pump if nothing else.

Yeah anti-surge is the way to go. I just don't like the idea of mapping around a mechanical idiosyncrasy and potentially losing out on boost. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of genuinely fast 'normal' k04 cars out there, but while there's a better result available I'll have a good look at it.

[Paradox1]

Your car looks spot on. Im glad your happy with the new coilovers.

If you havent already, its well worth getting front a rear anti rollbars. They truly do handle like its on rails. the turn in is even more direct.

Thanks mate

Yeah ARBs are on the long list of things to do. Will probably look at sorting the wishbone bushes too, either an ALK or TT/S3 bush.

Slowly but surely it's coming together.

Not sure what condition your current bushes are in but if there not causing a problem or are badly worn I wouldnt bother. imi so pleased with my car with the way it handles im not going to bother with wishbone bushes until they need replacing or start to affect the way the car hands.

Just enjoy the car how it is now.

Fair point. It's never been a job I've been desperate to do, just one of those 'maybes' on the list. I hear good and bad about the Anti Lift Kits anyway. We'll see.

I'd rather put any money towards a K04 fund than anything else if I'm really honest

Im in the same boat mate. My dilema now is k04 of hybrid k04 lol

I haven't even considered a hybrid k04. BWA and 400lb/ft+ means forged internals to me. Or at least a BYD/CDL bottom end. Is that something you're looking at?

I do like the sound of an anti surge K04 though. @dansmith180 has the BBT one, and his graph looks bloody nice. No problems ramping the boost up early. On paper it barely looks laggier than a K03.

Yes If I do decide to rebuild as a standard k04 it will definitely have the anti surge wheel. I have a TSI engine so I dont have the typical BWA problems. Still wouldnt mind switchable maps though.

Ahhh mk6? I don't know too much about the 888. It's a fair bit stronger then?

You've saved on a fuel pump if nothing else.

Yeah anti-surge is the way to go. I just don't like the idea of mapping around a mechanical idiosyncrasy and potentially losing out on boost. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of genuinely fast 'normal' k04 cars out there, but while there's a better result available I'll have a good look at it.

Yeah ea888 engine. was actually looking for a ed30 but found the ea888 engines are quite decent. no need for hpfp or injectors up to 400+
you have to decide what you want mate. no point in having a car that has too uch power and doesnt tick all the boxes etc.

Who are you planning on getting the mapping done by?

[AJP]

You two still run standard console bushes? 

Get a TTE420 

All this forging stuff is a nice idea, but it's not an infallible suit of armor.  It just stops the engine from blowing quite as easily as it would with cast pistons and rods.  There is a lot of scaremongery on the TFSI tuning group from members who push things too far by running standard KO4s at 2 bar, mapped in hard cut limiters, anti-lag flames and bangs........and they wonder why they get smoke from their exhausts and break their ring lands.

You don't need to run 400lbft.  For one thing the manual box is only rated to 320lbft (by VW themselves) and secondly, sometimes less is more.  More traction!  350lbft is mechanically safer but also gives less wheelspin than 400lbft.  I've seen people blowing rear diffs on S3s on, surprise surprise, the TFSI group running that kind of torque.   So I suppose what I'm rattling on about is, yeah, get a hybrid but don't run it flat out.  Keep some headroom there.

Agree with that Pudding. It's all about the headroom!

One thing for me (in terms of the anti-surge discussion) is that it appears to allow a quicker spool. Now whether I'd peak at 400lb/ft or not (and I'd prefer not, for the reasons you noted) I really do like the idea of a mapper not having hurdles in front of him in terms of spool. I'm kind of making assumptions here though, purely based on Dan's graph. Lay it over a 2+ k03 graph, and a 2+ vanilla k04 graph, and the torque comes in somewhere in between the two. Ideal. Especially considering how everyone was talking about k03 hybrids a while back - in practice they spool no earlier than a vanilla k04.

[AJP]

It'll be Mr Gower or Steve at Statller for the mapping @Paradox1

Good experience with both of them

[Shoduchi]

You two still run standard console bushes? 

Get a TTE420 

All this forging stuff is a nice idea, but it's not an infallible suit of armor.  It just stops the engine from blowing quite as easily as it would with cast pistons and rods.  There is a lot of scaremongery on the TFSI tuning group from members who push things too far by running standard KO4s at 2 bar, mapped in hard cut limiters, anti-lag flames and bangs........and they wonder why they get smoke from their exhausts and break their ring lands.

You don't need to run 400lbft.  For one thing the manual box is only rated to 320lbft (by VW themselves) and secondly, sometimes less is more.  More traction!  350lbft is mechanically safer but also gives less wheelspin than 400lbft.  I've seen people blowing rear diffs on S3s on, surprise surprise, the TFSI group running that kind of torque.   So I suppose what I'm rattling on about is, yeah, get a hybrid but don't run it flat out.  Keep some headroom there.

Wise words in my opinion.

[Paradox1]

You cant go wrong with either tbh.

Im thinking Nicki or Unicorn motor developments.

Although NVM Motorsports have made a name for themselves aswell

[AJP]

You cant go wrong with either tbh.

Im thinking Nicki or Unicorn motor developments.

Although NVM Motorsports have made a name for themselves aswell

Yeah it's Rick/Rich at Unicorn isn't it? Met a guy at Statller with a k04 Passat with a Unicorn map. Adam I think. He was on here a while ago. Seemed very happy with the car. Unfortunately he had a bump soon after that and as far as I know the project ended

Will look into NVM.

[Pesky jones]

Glad to see how you're getting on with it, looks well! Be interesting to see where you go

I have a k04 on BWA at the moment which isn’t mapped yet. I was of the impression that approaching 400 ftlb is rod bending territory as well. Don’t think I’ll get close to that though off minimum 2+ hardware (k04 injectors, rs4 valve, intake, 3” decat, VIS hpfp). Would you need RFD and maybe water/meth and maybe a few other bits to get close to 400ftlb? Definitely need them to get close to 400bhp.

[Paradox1]

You cant go wrong with either tbh.

Im thinking Nicki or Unicorn motor developments.

Although NVM Motorsports have made a name for themselves aswell

Yeah it's Rick/Rich at Unicorn isn't it? Met a guy at Statller with a k04 Passat with a Unicorn map. Adam I think. He was on here a while ago. Seemed very happy with the car. Unfortunately he had a bump soon after that and as far as I know the project ended

Will look into NVM.

Indeed.

Ive been to nicki several times and never had a bad thing to say. he could have easily slap a map on my previous car and told me to do 1 but instead he spend about another hour logging and tweaking the map. Props to him always.

Unicorn are well respected too and do alot of the RS audi model too.

NVM are in birningham and seem to be making a name for themselves too.