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HPFP at what point??

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MAT ED30:
 :grouphug:  :happy2: i think the best thing to help u Robin is to have 2 cars in the same state of tune one running apr pump one running another make running same settings on revo and both plugged into vag com so u can see if there is anything in them to warrant the crazy price of the apr pump  :smiley:

RedRobin:
^^^^
Yep, I agree the APR price is what's called ludricous but the question is more about reliability than logs. But hey, let's not start an unpopular discussion which risks heated argument - You're calm and I'm calm but not everyone else might stay so.

KRL:
The thing is Robin there is absolutely no real world evidence out there that the APR pump is more reliable than any others.  There is only hearsay.

As somebody said earlier on this thread - can you name anybody with non-apr uprated HPFP that has had a failure?

vRS Carl:
I know of one autotech failure but wether it was due to failure or his ham fisted approach to fitting is debateable ( personally I feel it was the later as I have had mine for 40. And not had a problem. )

Carl :happy2:

tony_danza:
No, what you’ve done is a self indulgent diatribe into the ins and outs of hearsay.

Here’s how I see your post with a critique.

Autotech in the very early stages of production had a bad batch. This was identified and rectified years ago. No cars were affected.

JKM won’t supply/fit an Autotech pump. I understand their position and respect it, I don’t have a problem with JKM’s stance. “tedium” is another factor, so it isn’t all down to the pump quality, is it?

Every other tuner in the UK will gladly fit you an Autotech pump and it will be fine. VWR will fit one, I even bet Awesome would fit you one. There have been NO failures I am aware of, so it can’t be that hard eh? The potential for failure is of course there though, so best left to an expert rather than a home DIY job.

You cannot prove that APR’s pump has been any more well developed or tested than the competition. You only have their word.
You cannot prove they replace their pump internals in any cleaner/better an environment potentially than the competitions, somewhere along the line with both pumps the internals have to be swapped. You only have their word.
You cannot prove their pump performs any better than the competition, or is any more “fit and forget”. You only have their word.

APR mapped the Scirocco race car. It stands to reason they’d use their own pump. Likewise the Leon. How many examples of race cars did you give with the Autotech pump? Biased.

With the benefit of Captain Subtext, you’re implying that Revo’s recommendation of Autotech pumps is biased because they don’t get on with APR. Ring Kev/Carl up and tell them what you’ve posted, I’m sure they’ll be delighted with you. For what it is worth, when I have spoken to either of them and mentioned an APR product in the last 5 years I’ve been dealing with them, they’ve always been positive towards them.

So, unless someone can prove otherwise I see it like this.

Both pumps do exactly the same thing, the only difference is paying APR the labour to do the build. This does have its benefits, as there’s no arguments should it be done incorrectly and there’s only one place to take it back to should it fail. But should you have someone competent enough to do the install for you, you can save yourself hundreds of pounds.

I’m sure if JKM were still doing both, you’d trust them to fit an Autotech one?   

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