HPFP at what point??

[Janner_Sy]

if you dont like autotech because of bad press once upon a time, why not go for KMD then???

[DubED30]

if you dont like autotech because of bad press once upon a time, why not go for KMD then???

Who does KMD??? I can only find an US supplier.

[RedRobin]

No, what you’ve done is a self indulgent diatribe into the ins and outs of hearsay.

....I don't take kindly to the "self indulgent diatribe" accusation. If you want continued respect from me you had better afford me some respect irrespective of whether you agree with my views.

It wasn't an accusation or an insult, more a my head in my hands "good grief" moment. I'm sorry.

Ok, I'll re-word it:

"No, what you’ve done is a post un-necessarily padded out with hearsay instead of fact."

I understand your intentions and reasonings behind your posts, but when I look at them from an outsiders point of view I see what I said. Many others have said this too.

Can I suggest you maybe just concentrate on saying why you've chosen something, and leave out any other tuner/product in your attempt to bring balance. If you don't mention the "other" at all, your opinion of them can't be mis-understood.

....Understood, and thank you for bothering to write. I'll see if I can improve my ways

[RedRobin]

Open and honest springs to mind.................... But based on fact.

....Being open and honest in expressing my opinion is what got me into trouble on this occasion it seems.

What is 'fact' is something which can vary when posted by experts on the internet - Doubtless myself included sometimes.

[Hedge]

if you dont like autotech because of bad press once upon a time, why not go for KMD then???

Who does KMD??? I can only find an US supplier.

I think they are only a shop rather than a manufacturer.

[RedRobin]

^^^^
I always thought that Autotech and KMD were the same product and was KMD originally.

[QD MBE]

Open and honest springs to mind.................... But based on fact.

....Being open and honest in expressing my opinion is what got me into trouble on this occasion it seems.

What is 'fact' is something which can vary when posted by experts on the internet - Doubtless myself included sometimes.

Off topic,

But fact to me is not what I read on t'internet but broken and poor welds, how the BSH mounts made my car feel after fit, incorrect length exhaust hangers etc, all fact, not hearsay.

As i have said, not sponsored or favour any company, just my factual based engineering observations.  

Back on topic...........

[tony_danza]

....Understood, and thank you for bothering to write. I'll see if I can improve my ways

I'm by no means perfect, so feedback is always welcome too you know.

From the other one...^^

Fact is something that can be proven without doubt. Opinion if for something that can't - I'm always quite careful when writing something to ensure I mark a statement with which is which.

Nobody, no matter how expert in their field, can demand their opinion is fact without proof.

[xxx_mojo_xxx]

Consider this simple question?

If the Autotech pump is circa £300 and the APR circa £700 - does the extensive testing alone warrant the two-fold difference in price?

This is a personal opinion...but I believe APR components are over-priced.  Some of this may be down to the APR's desire to develop its "brand", impression of exclusivity and quality. 

If I was spending my hard earned money - I would ask myself if the APR product was twice as good as the Autotech one.  As far as testing is concerned...the passage of time has proven Autotech's credentials... and I would always go with the tried-and-tested component with the largest user-base.

P.S.  I think we all need to go easy on Robin.  I can't help feeling he's been given an unduly hard time. 

[gazbutS3]

you do get a complete new pump with the APR item, nobody has really mentioned that, not sayin it justifies the price but it does add up, 300quid for the kit plus fitting then add the price of a brand new pump and it's gettin there

[vRS Carl]

A new pump is £164 + VAT so about £192 all in

Makes just shy £500.

So they are charging £200 for a 10 min job.

One other thing they do is you can send them your pump but even then they charge circa £550 to put the internals in your pump.

As I said in a previous post I think APR products ( although very good and very well made ) are way overpriced in the UK.

Carl

[Ottis]

Autotech’s high volume output fuel pump this reply is factual from VW friend in the USA ,from aututech and VW so to help MK5GolfGTI with there instalation of new pump,i have also bought one from our Groupbuy,i hope this help's

IMPORTANT WARNING
AND PREVENTIVE NOTICE
 Autotech’s high volume output fuel pump kit for 2.0T VW and
Audi engine applications, our part #10.127.100k.
This kit is designed to provide up to 50% greater fuel volume than the standard factory
fuel pump. In order to drive this additional fuel volume under the basic laws of physics it
will take up to 50% proportionally more pressure to drive the pump.
The pump is driven by a lobe on the factory intake camshaft which in turn drives the fuel
pump piston through a follower. The pressure exerted on the cam lobe can be up to 50%
greater than the standard application. Both VW and Audi have issued factory “Technical
Service Bulletins” regarding abnormal camshaft wear and failure with the standard stock
factory installed fuel pump. Both companies have issued corrective actions which
include replacing the factory stock camshaft with a new camshaft that has improved
surface hardened fuel pump lobes. The part number for this new camshaft is
06F.109.101B and is available at any VW or Audi dealer.
Before proceeding with the installation of Autotech’s high volume fuel pump kit, it is
imperative that the installer check for wear on the existing camshaft and follower. If
worn, the camshaft must replaced. If not worn, it will be necessary to identify which
camshaft you have in your engine by looking at the part number etched in the cam
between the lobes for the number 2 and number 3 cylinders. The old style (less hardened
cam) is marked with part #06F.109.101A. Those customers who have the old style cam
should strongly consider changing to the new cam part #06F.109.101B.
Regardless of which camshaft you are using, Autotech cannot guarantee that your
camshaft’s fuel pump lobe will not experience increased wear leading to a catastrophic
failure. All customers who choose to use Autotech’s high volume fuel pump must accept
the additional risk of camshaft failure. It is incumbent upon the customer to check for
wear of the camshaft and follower on a regular basis and replace those parts as necessary
as a preventive measure against future failure. To be able to enjoy the benefits of this
part it is necessary for the customer to accept responsibility for wear and tear on other
related parts as mentioned above on their vehicle.
Antotech, therefore will not accept any warranty or merchantability claims for camshaft
and/or follower failures or any damage as a result of those failures for this product. The
customer agrees to accept all risk when using this product. 

[DubED30]

Sounds like your typical American "we'll give you the worst case scenario, that could result in injury or death, just so you can't sue us" bunf. 
Has anyone had camshaft failure?

[Hurdy]

I've just had my cam follower changed. 20k of hard miles with an Autotech pump and the follower was barely worn through it's coating.

[xxx_mojo_xxx]

I had the cam follower replaced...rev. C. is available now.

Not sure what all this stuff about the camshaft is about though?  Are there revised versions of this?