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Removing Swirls Black Paint
Lucastheone92:
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--- Quote from: Lucastheone92 on October 11, 2016, 05:10:04 pm ---
--- Quote from: bonelorry on September 15, 2016, 06:44:04 pm ---Check out my thread on the Members Rides section, I recently did my Diamond Black ED30 using the Megs 105/205 combo, Also did Fallout remover and De-tar prior to polishing and finished with Collinites 845 Wax.
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What's the benefit of using both 105 and 205? I've just read on their website that they both have similar benefits e.g. Removed swirls. Could 205 just be using to both make glossy finish and remove swirls ?
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Firstly depends on many factors, Yes they both do the same job but at differing levels. Also paint type makes a massive difference for example VW Paint is quite hard and requires a more aggressive cut such as Megs 105 to achieve any decent levels of correction, Paint on Japanese cars can be quite soft in comparison so you might be able to get away with using Megs 205.
So on VW paint you could just use Megs 205 and a White Hex Pad, This would be classed as a Single Stage and would clean the paint up and remove very Minor swirls/defects. However you would not remove any deeper swirls and once the sunlight hits the paintwork they will be visible.
Megs 105 has a more aggressive cut as does using the Orange Hex Pad too, This combination offers a better level of correction and will remove more severe swirls, Bird poop marks, Defects but the downside is you do not get a very good finish afterwords. So you use the 205 Combo to finish/refine.
Megs 105 = Compound/Cutting
Megs 205 = Refining/Finishing
Adding to the above the choice of Pad that you use also plays a big part, I think in the Hex-Logic range which I use their are approx 6 different pads available ranging from Heavy Cut to Finishing. You have to experiment with the different combinations to see which one works for you and gives the best level of correction.
I always say start out with the least aggressive and work your way up.
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Ok thanks that makes sense. Which pads do you use for 105 and 205? My paint work isn't really bad but I doubt it's ever had this 2 stage treatment before.
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bonelorry:
--- Quote from: Lucastheone92 on October 12, 2016, 10:22:49 am ---Ok thanks that makes sense. Which pads do you use for 105 and 205? My paint work isn't really bad but I doubt it's ever had this 2 stage treatment before.
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105 with Orange Hex Pad
205 with White Hex Pad
DAS-6 Pro Dual Action Machine Polisher.
Obviously before even going near the car with the Polisher ensure the paint is clean and dry and fully free of any contaminants such as Tar or Metal Falllout etc.
I have had good results on Tornado Red in the past using the same system...
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=365263&page=3
Lucastheone92:
--- Quote from: bonelorry on October 12, 2016, 11:15:40 am ---
--- Quote from: Lucastheone92 on October 12, 2016, 10:22:49 am ---Ok thanks that makes sense. Which pads do you use for 105 and 205? My paint work isn't really bad but I doubt it's ever had this 2 stage treatment before.
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105 with Orange Hex Pad
205 with White Hex Pad
DAS-6 Pro Dual Action Machine Polisher.
Obviously before even going near the car with the Polisher ensure the paint is clean and dry and fully free of any contaminants such as Tar or Metal Falllout etc.
I have had good results on Tornado Red in the past using the same system...
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=365263&page=3
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Really need to buy a polisher. The only problem is I don't have anyway to wash my car at home so I'm reluctant to wash my car at a petrol station then drive back home to clay and polish etc.
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bonelorry:
--- Quote from: Lucastheone92 on October 12, 2016, 11:22:31 am ---
--- Quote from: bonelorry on October 12, 2016, 11:15:40 am ---
--- Quote from: Lucastheone92 on October 12, 2016, 10:22:49 am ---Ok thanks that makes sense. Which pads do you use for 105 and 205? My paint work isn't really bad but I doubt it's ever had this 2 stage treatment before.
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105 with Orange Hex Pad
205 with White Hex Pad
DAS-6 Pro Dual Action Machine Polisher.
Obviously before even going near the car with the Polisher ensure the paint is clean and dry and fully free of any contaminants such as Tar or Metal Falllout etc.
I have had good results on Tornado Red in the past using the same system...
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=365263&page=3
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Really need to buy a polisher. The only problem is I don't have anyway to wash my car at home so I'm reluctant to wash my car at a petrol station then drive back home to clay and polish etc.
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Sorry if this sounds harsh...
My advice would be not to bother, You simply will not get the results! You cannot wash a car properly at a Petrol Station or Jet-Wash, The car needs a full fall out remover applying and time to work, De-Tarring and repeatedly rinsing at multiple stages.
It will also require another wash after the Polishing Stage/Before waxing.
I would only ever recommend washing a car using the 2 bucket method with a Soft/Lambswool Wash Mitt and Drying towel otherwise you will just create more and more swirls/marks on your paintwork.
I am not professing to be an expert but can tell you that it takes many many hours per week to get a car upto a good level and to maintain that level of finish. A 2-Stage Machine Polish is a full day job in itself!
Lucastheone92:
--- Quote from: bonelorry on October 12, 2016, 11:51:15 am ---
--- Quote from: Lucastheone92 on October 12, 2016, 11:22:31 am ---
--- Quote from: bonelorry on October 12, 2016, 11:15:40 am ---
--- Quote from: Lucastheone92 on October 12, 2016, 10:22:49 am ---Ok thanks that makes sense. Which pads do you use for 105 and 205? My paint work isn't really bad but I doubt it's ever had this 2 stage treatment before.
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105 with Orange Hex Pad
205 with White Hex Pad
DAS-6 Pro Dual Action Machine Polisher.
Obviously before even going near the car with the Polisher ensure the paint is clean and dry and fully free of any contaminants such as Tar or Metal Falllout etc.
I have had good results on Tornado Red in the past using the same system...
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=365263&page=3
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Really need to buy a polisher. The only problem is I don't have anyway to wash my car at home so I'm reluctant to wash my car at a petrol station then drive back home to clay and polish etc.
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Sorry if this sounds harsh...
My advice would be not to bother, You simply will not get the results! You cannot wash a car properly at a Petrol Station or Jet-Wash, The car needs a full fall out remover applying and time to work, De-Tarring and repeatedly rinsing at multiple stages.
It will also require another wash after the Polishing Stage/Before waxing.
I would only ever recommend washing a car using the 2 bucket method with a Soft/Lambswool Wash Mitt and Drying towel otherwise you will just create more and more swirls/marks on your paintwork.
I am not professing to be an expert but can tell you that it takes many many hours per week to get a car upto a good level and to maintain that level of finish. A 2-Stage Machine Polish is a full day job in itself!
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Occasionally I have access to my brothers pressure washer where time isn't a problem.
How often is a 2 stage polish needed? Could I just do this say at my brothers and from then on just wash and then wax?
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