Oil pick-up pipe / sealant

[rich83]

 

[pudding]

Have you got the correct long ball head Allen socket thing? You'll struggle if not

Yeah I've got that. Done this whole job before - just refreshing myself!

Yeah did it on my own and used Axle stands.

I recommend tying the turbo oil drain pipe to the driveshaft out of the way (you might want to get a new gasket for that, I reused mine), and also move the electric water pump out of the way.   Once you've put the sealant on the sump, you've only got about 20 mins to get it fitted and torqued down, and these 2 things can get in the way when offering the sump back up to the block.

I know it's a sealer that cures in the absence of air (can't remember the name for that) but I've found it starts to harden regardless.  I used the Dirko stuff from fleabay / amazon.

Yeah as above, a long 5mm ball ended allen key for the 2 bolts tucked up behind the bell housing will be very handy.  I lost mine, but got away with a normal allen key.  I was really unprepared for it tbh, but blagged it somehow 

Yeah I ended up tying up a few things back out the way aswell - made it  a lot easier

Ah OK, I was going to say I thought you'd done it already.   Doesn't hurt to go over it again I suppose, for anyone contemplating doing it.

I think it's a must really.  I was lucky with mine as the previous owners appear to have looked after the car, but some folk won't be so fortunate.  Just wish they'd documented it so I didn't have to repeat the work!

[Pesky jones]

Have you got the correct long ball head Allen socket thing? You'll struggle if not

Yeah I've got that. Done this whole job before - just refreshing myself!

Yeah did it on my own and used Axle stands.

I recommend tying the turbo oil drain pipe to the driveshaft out of the way (you might want to get a new gasket for that, I reused mine), and also move the electric water pump out of the way.   Once you've put the sealant on the sump, you've only got about 20 mins to get it fitted and torqued down, and these 2 things can get in the way when offering the sump back up to the block.

I know it's a sealer that cures in the absence of air (can't remember the name for that) but I've found it starts to harden regardless.  I used the Dirko stuff from fleabay / amazon.

Yeah as above, a long 5mm ball ended allen key for the 2 bolts tucked up behind the bell housing will be very handy.  I lost mine, but got away with a normal allen key.  I was really unprepared for it tbh, but blagged it somehow 

Yeah I ended up tying up a few things back out the way aswell - made it  a lot easier

Ah OK, I was going to say I thought you'd done it already.   Doesn't hurt to go over it again I suppose, for anyone contemplating doing it.

I think it's a must really.  I was lucky with mine as the previous owners appear to have looked after the car, but some folk won't be so fortunate.  Just wish they'd documented it so I didn't have to repeat the work!

Yeah I did it on my old car, im now doing it on my new car as I know the importance of it 

[Pesky jones]

Did it today, all good in the sump and pick up pipe virtually clean, apart from the old little orange ball off the old dipstick stuck in the pick up pipe.

[pudding]

Yup, exactly what mine looked like.

Your sump looks clean too.

[Pesky jones]

Yeah cleaned the sump out.

[lukemk5gti]

Bit of a revival here @Pesky jones but I'm doing a service in the next few weeks so I'll do this while I'm at it.

Closing in on 100,000miles and it's never been done!

1) Can I get away with just doing the pickup pipe or do you recommend dropping the sump?

2) Can I clean the pickup pipe and gauze or should I order a new one? If so, does anyone have the part number?

3) Do I need anything else? O-Ring, specialised tools etc.

[Pesky jones]

1) You have to drop the sump to get access to the pick up pipe.

2) I just cleaned mine thoroughly with petrol etc untill I was happy with it although I think for the price of it the majority of people buy a new one.

3) You need the pick-up pipe o-ring which you can order separately (AKS sell them), a new sump washer, the sealant to put the sump back on. Also long ball-headed allen keys as three of the the sump bolts are quite tricky to get to. They are at an angle so you need the ball headed key. Like this - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bahco-9770-BE-9770-1-5-10mm/dp/B002SHPOZO/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1491292088&sr=8-7&keywords=allen+key+set

[lukemk5gti]

1) You have to drop the sump to get access to the pick up pipe.

2) I just cleaned mine thoroughly with petrol etc untill I was happy with it although I think for the price of it the majority of people buy a new one.

3) You need the pick-up pipe o-ring which you can order separately (AKS sell them), a new sump washer, the sealant to put the sump back on. Also long ball-headed allen keys as three of the the sump bolts are quite tricky to get to. They are at an angle so you need the ball headed key. Like this - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bahco-9770-BE-9770-1-5-10mm/dp/B002SHPOZO/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1491292088&sr=8-7&keywords=allen+key+set

Ah sh*te, I thought I could get away without dropping it and reapplying sealant!

Guess I'll tackle the lot. I've to service the two golfs the same day so I was trying to limit the amount of work!

Expect a couple of texts for advice on the matter 

[Pesky jones]

Haha afraid not. I'd advise doing it to be honest, good to see what state it's in as its a good general indicator of health in my opinion. I don't think it should take you too long to be honest, but I'd get up early if you've got to squeeze in other jobs  yeah I'll be more then happy to help where I can. Give me a shout when you're doing it, hopefully can offer a few tips.

[lukemk5gti]

Sorry one more question:

I used a bit of this Loctite 5699 in work 3 months ago, can I also use it on the sump?

http://www.halfords.com/workshop-tools/garage-equipment/head-gasket-exhaust-repairs/loctite-5699-premium-silicone-grey-gasket-maker-sealant

Temp range -50C to 250C

[pudding]

That will probably work OK, but the Dirko stuff from ebay or Amazon is a safer bet as it's specifically made for sealing sumps.

[Pesky jones]

When you do put the sealant on, you dont need much. Some have simply smeared it onto the surface with a finger. It really doesnt need much and you dont want excess inside the sump that can break off. A really thin bead is all that's required.

[pudding]

I did it exactly as Dirko instructed. A 3mm bead in the middle.

[Pesky jones]

Can't see the pic. I guess the best option is to do whatever they do on the assembly line at VW. I've just seen that you really don't need much of a bead to get a good seal. The surfaces are machined and dont need much to form a tight seal.