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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2017, 05:31:41 pm »
Yeah you're right, you have to be commited to keeping anything with a polished lip in good nick. I suppose one option is keeping that kind of wheel as a summer/show wheel but I don't think I'm taking the car too far in that direction.

To be fair the BBS VZ I've got on now are really nice. Treated them to a good application of wax when I bought them and they come up nicely with minimal effort. They're just a bit popular, seems every other mk5 is on a CH/VZ/Pescara. Maybe one day I'll find some cheap CH-R!

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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2017, 05:48:00 pm »
Yeah you're right, you have to be commited to keeping anything with a polished lip in good nick. I suppose one option is keeping that kind of wheel as a summer/show wheel but I don't think I'm taking the car too far in that direction.

To be fair the BBS VZ I've got on now are really nice. Treated them to a good application of wax when I bought them and they come up nicely with minimal effort. They're just a bit popular, seems every other mk5 is on a CH/VZ/Pescara. Maybe one day I'll find some cheap CH-R!

I like the CH-R but as you say yourself, every other golf seems to be on CH or a variation of and it's getting a bit old...........at least for me anyway. Don't shoot!  :fighting:

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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2017, 05:50:15 pm »
Nah I'm with you on that one mate. I feel a new set might be in order for me at some point, something a bit different.

You've definitely got the right idea with the RCs. Quite looking forward to seeing if you can get them to fit.

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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2017, 03:28:21 pm »
Just back from the machine shop..................looking good!  :laugh:

Just need to source the other 3 and get them in to be drilled/tapped.


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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2017, 04:56:16 pm »
Aha, nice one!  Tonnes of meat on that hub as suspected......apart from one bolt  :smiley:  Are you going to get that one plug welded and retapped, or does the machine shop think there's enough thread support for the bolt?


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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2017, 05:26:21 pm »
Aha, nice one!  Tonnes of meat on that hub as suspected......apart from one bolt  :smiley:  Are you going to get that one plug welded and retapped, or does the machine shop think there's enough thread support for the bolt?

They felt that it shouldn't be a problem due to the inherent strength in circles because.........(this is where I glazed over :signLOL: )

They basically said that the steel is level 2 hardened (whatever that means!) in the hub and they wouldn't be worried in the slightest. All good so far then. The other front isn't a problem as we have plenty here in work in F.A.G. but the rear is a problem. If you look at the attached picture, you can see that the genuine VW item is thicker around the bolt holes on the rear and thinner until it hits the next hole.

Obvious issue is that the thinner area is where I want to drill the new holes and less depth = less threads. We are talking about wheels here and therefore my neck! I have found a brand who makes a bearing which is uniform thickness all the way around but of course, we don't stock that brand! So i'm on the hunt for rear hubs. Ebay has turned up a couple of results so I'll be investigating those further. So close and yet so far!!

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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2017, 09:29:12 am »
Brilliant, half way there  :happy2:

I would never have known that about the rear hubs!  Typical VW penny pinching! Is that the same Bendix who make washing machines?  :grin:  Should do the trick perfectly!

Should be good.  I'm sure I remember the 18" RC being around 8.5kg, compared to 11kg for the Pescera.  Nice little weight saving!


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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2017, 10:18:21 am »
Brilliant, half way there  :happy2:

I would never have known that about the rear hubs!  Typical VW penny pinching! Is that the same Bendix who make washing machines?  :grin:  Should do the trick perfectly!

Should be good.  I'm sure I remember the 18" RC being around 8.5kg, compared to 11kg for the Pescera.  Nice little weight saving!

Who knows mate, may be the washing machine crowd! As long as the bearing works, they could make cakes for all I care!!  :signLOL:

Yeah, I was sickened when I saw the rear bearing. We have it in stock in F.A.G. and I noticed the reduction in material between the bolt holes so I went on to partslink to get the VW number, called my local dealer and asked him to double check, by chance he happened to have one in stock and it was identical.  :doh:

After a quick scan on TecDoc I was able to see that Bendix did the bearing above with uniform material thickness the whole way around, a friend of mine works in a different suppliers who stock that brand so asked him to grab me 2..............of course......only 1 in stock and 3 weeks until the next stock order lands! Can't win!!

At least I know it can be done and looks like it will be 100% effective and SAFE more importantly! I'll keep updating as things progress.  :happy2:

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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2017, 05:25:14 pm »
Got the remaining 3 bearings back from the machine shop. All were successfully drilled and tapped. Hopefully going to get to this at the weekend.  :happy2:

Also bought a set of highline clocks from a nice guy and member on here (V4RLEY I think his user name is) so depending on time (and patience) I'd like to get them fitted too. We'll see!

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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2017, 07:52:17 pm »
Good progress mate. Mods like this are the most rewarding. Keep us posted!

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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2017, 06:15:51 pm »
Get on with it already  :laugh:


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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2017, 05:19:51 pm »
Get on with it already  :laugh:


Got started over the weekend, unfortunately with only a driveway I only managed to get the front bearings fitted before the weather got in the way. Still progress is progress!

However, ran into more small issues, even though the discs are double drilled and have 10 holes, the holes are all the same PCD :confused:

So........discs added to the parts list before the wheels can go on! Not content with throwing me that problem, the car decided that with the calipers removed the next problem could rear its ugly head, 1 pad on both sides had the friction material separated from the steel backing and the pistons on both sides were almost seized! Lots of WD40 and pushing the piston back and forth with someone working the pedal sorted the calipers out and a new set of pads finished the job.  :happy2:

With the bearing fitment stopped due to the weather, I got on with the other mod I'd been hoping to get done and fitted a highline dash.  :jumpmove:  This is the first time i've taken on anything like this so was dubious about taking it on but swallowed a couple of brave pills and got on with it.......worked out well but sorting the errors out afterwards was tricky. The guide on here was fantastic but to someone new to the  world of VCDS and VAG-Commander I couldn't really get my head around what I needed to do at first. The guide links you to the ROSSTECH site with a ton of info but doesn't tell you that you only need to follow the BASIC settings rather than work out what the codes should add up to. (Unless I missed something which is entirely possible!!)  :signLOL:

Anyway, couple of pics:

Old bearing out and new one ready to go in;




One of the offending pads.



And my new Highline clocks!



So, hopefully, I can organise 4 new discs through work of the correct sizes but with MK4 PCD and get to fitting them with the rear bearings next weekend and then finally the RC's! Won't be long now!!  :jumping:
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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2017, 12:00:18 pm »
@Pudding Are you working in a VW dealers mate? Need to pick your brain on something if so...... :thinking:

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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2017, 01:52:54 pm »
Hi mate, I don't work at a dealer, no.  I sometimes wish I did though, and that way the parts I order for myself would be the correct ones!!

Strange that the discs have 2 drillings but the same PCD!  I seem to remember the 5x100 312mm discs having different offsets depending on model, so I hope that works out for you!  In theory MK4 GTI ones should be right.

Getting there, slowly but surely!


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Re: Anniversary MK4 rims on MK5.
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2017, 04:09:50 pm »
Hi mate, I don't work at a dealer, no.  I sometimes wish I did though, and that way the parts I order for myself would be the correct ones!!

Strange that the discs have 2 drillings but the same PCD!  I seem to remember the 5x100 312mm discs having different offsets depending on model, so I hope that works out for you!  In theory MK4 GTI ones should be right.

Getting there, slowly but surely!

I thought so too but there's a critical difference.....they're identical apart from one measurement.

If you lay both discs flat on a bench the MK5's are taller by 15mm in the centre where the bolt holes are.  :confused:

So when fitted they wont allow the caliper to bolt on.............unless I add 15mm spacers of some kind between the caliper and the hub along with longer bolts. More hassle.  :sad1: