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Offline illyun

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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2008, 10:33:55 pm »
Damn... and I thought the Brembos were dear at £1k  :rolleye:  Any tips on how to get Tarox 10-pots for £1000 Hurdy?  Sexual favours or something along those lines...  :signLOL:  Looks like I'll have to revise the cost of my own brake upgrade   :surprised:   :sad:  BTW, those Tarox's look  :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:  Not sure what I need atm, but I have a feeling I'll be getting the Quaife and brakes done at the same time by VWR sometime in February if everything goes to plan.  :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:   The cost of this modding lark is fast approaching £10k  :scared:   Could have got another GTI for that although to be honest, I don't regret it at all.  My Ed30 is in the garage and 'out-of-order' at present - needs alloys changing and tracking/suspension looking at - JKM will do it next week or the week after.  As much as I am enjoying driving the R32 - no wheelspin  :driver: - it doesn't compare to my modded Ed30 - its an awesome car now.

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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2008, 10:36:00 pm »
Discs on wrong hurdy LOL  :rolleye:  :wink:

Not now :happy2:

That was an old pic :signLOL:
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2008, 10:41:20 pm »
Damn... and I thought the Brembos were dear at £1k  :rolleye:  Any tips on how to get Tarox 10-pots for £1000 Hurdy?  Sexual favours or something along those lines...  :signLOL:  Looks like I'll have to revise the cost of my own brake upgrade   :surprised:   :sad:  BTW, those Tarox's look  :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: 

LOL,

Illyun, You could always ask Awesome for their 12 pots off their Stage 3 GTI :signLOL:



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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2008, 10:44:48 pm »
or you could just buy  the car  :signLOL:

Mods yes but way too many to stick in this little box

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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2008, 11:27:28 pm »
Damn... and I thought the Brembos were dear at £1k...  Any tips on how to get Tarox 10-pots for £1000 Hurdy?... Looks like I'll have to revise the cost of my own brake upgrade... Not sure what I need atm, but I have a feeling I'll be getting the Quaife and brakes done at the same time by VWR sometime in February if everything goes to plan.

....If you are going to VWR for the Quaife, it would definitely be worthwhile talking to Mark about their brakes.




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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #50 on: December 26, 2008, 11:55:25 pm »
I agree with Gaz, tyres play a big part.

TBH I dont think there is that much wrong with the standard GTI setup for normal road use, they does the job pretty well but of course like anything improvements could be made.

Remember its not always how quick you can stop though :driver:

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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2008, 07:20:09 am »
The 362mm discs and 6-pot AP Racing's finest I have en-route... drool!



i had these on my last car (£1299+vat) but found them a little noisey and compromised for day to day driving, they were however very good on the braking front

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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #52 on: December 27, 2008, 10:11:12 am »
^^LOL, I know exactly what you mean..

I had Tarox's and DS2500's on my Anni and if they weren't used in anger for a few days they'd squeal like a stuck pig! Oddly though the second set of pads never had the same problem.

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Exactly his point - 6-pot overkill for my use, but not for your use :happy2:

This is just my opinion and by no means gospel.

If I was being asked, I'd recommend a decent set of pads and GOOD, high spec. fresh fluid on an R32 set up will be more than enough for most and with a bit of sympathetic driving will stand up to the odd track day (i.e. don't go staying out for too long and cook them). I'd go grooved over drilled discs if those were on the agenda too - just don't get anything EBC, it's garbage.

Your set up RR is pretty much ideal for anyone wanting to spend a bit more to reduce weight and get more power/less fade. I think it's the best mid-range set up you can buy. Alcons are AP standard, but I've discovered hard to get a decent range of pads for. RS4's are a great buy and Hurdy's are very trick too.

The Porsche/ECS ones are just for show, I wouldn't touch them.

And finally the big boys. 360mm discs and big calipers are as you say wasted on most. Usually found on 2 types of cars - Credit card wonders that'll never see a day's work for fear of making dust, and track slags.
Those VWR ones are surely based on an AP set up?? for the money, they're bang on. The cheapest I could find AP 6-pots (albiet with only a 330mm disc) was £1900 on the open market. So for bigger discs and essentially the same calipers/pads made specifically for a MKV, then that's what I'd have been looking at.

Out of interest RR how do you find the noise on yours?
« Last Edit: December 27, 2008, 11:11:01 am by tony_danza »
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #53 on: December 27, 2008, 11:26:05 am »
RedRobin, out of interest what pads are you running in yours and how do you find the noise?

....I'm still running the original Ferodo DS2500 pads which AP fitted my 4-pots with. Squealing is usually associated with bedding-in. I didn't get much squealing but I did experience some rattling and rubbing of the VW cover plate on tight roundabouts, but this was easily stopped.

I've covered a huge distance on my pads, something like well over 25,000 miles, but my style of driving is usually light on brake use. Braking points on approaching familiar roundabouts are greatly reduced - To the extent that I have embarrassed myself more than once by braking hard and then having to get back on the throttle to reach the roundabout!

I use a combination of shifting down the gears and braking and that also means I'm in the right gear for a fast exit - Many a time has someone been all over my tail approaching a roundabout but a small image in my rearview mirror on the exit and they usually stop bullying me subsequently. The Quaife helps.

Yes, the VW stock brakes are very good....Until you've experienced others! One difference I enjoy is the far better pedal 'feel' and response.

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« Last Edit: December 27, 2008, 11:34:03 am by RedRobin »


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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #54 on: December 27, 2008, 12:00:28 pm »
The Daddy of pads! They do everything you ask of them :happy2:
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #55 on: December 27, 2008, 01:27:22 pm »
The Daddy of pads! They do everything you ask of them :happy2:

....They certainly do!

I have never driven my GTI on track, so I can't comment about the AP's in that environment (except that I've read and heard only praise), but on an empty German autobahn I went to the middle lane, held 130 mph (GPS not speedo) and braked hard. They shaved my speed right down to around 70 mph in what seemed like a split-second - Awesome and without any side movement etc whatsoever - Totally stable!

I'm sure that both Hurdy's Tarox and VWR's offerings will perform the same. It's what's expected at this level and it's that standard of brakes which is needed for a Stage 2 GTI/Ed30 in my opinion.

I'd rather have good brakes and not need them, than need them and not have them!  :driver:


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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #56 on: December 27, 2008, 03:00:29 pm »
I'm sure that both Hurdy's Tarox and VWR's offerings will perform the same. It's what's expected at this level and it's that standard of brakes which is needed for a Stage 2 GTI/Ed30 in my opinion.

I'd rather have good brakes and not need them, than need them and not have them!  :driver:

100% agree Robin :happy2:
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #57 on: December 27, 2008, 03:08:17 pm »
I'll 3rd that.

Plus, with good big brake kits you'll generaly see around half of your money or more back when you come to sell them. Although I've got everything crossed they'll fit on a MKVI..
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #58 on: December 27, 2008, 03:34:04 pm »
I'll 3rd that.

That goes without saying really.

Plus, with good big brake kits you'll generaly see around half of your money or more back when you come to sell them. Although I've got everything crossed they'll fit on a MKVI..

I would expect they will - fingers crossed a lot of bits do - wheels etc.

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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #59 on: December 27, 2008, 03:39:32 pm »
Remember its not always how quick you can stop though :driver:
No its often how quick can the guy behind me stop!
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