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Offline ukdub

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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #60 on: December 27, 2008, 09:07:23 pm »
Quote from: tony_danza on December 27, 2008, 10:11:12 am

The Porsche/ECS ones are just for show, I wouldn't touch them.


You would think that calipers designed to stop a 2 ton SUV would be good on the GTI.
Is there any reason to you saying they are just for show, as I was thinking about this set up :happy2:
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #61 on: December 27, 2008, 10:29:58 pm »
Quote from: ukdub on December 27, 2008, 09:07:23 pm
Quote from: tony_danza on December 27, 2008, 10:11:12 am

The Porsche/ECS ones are just for show, I wouldn't touch them.


You would think that calipers designed to stop a 2 ton SUV would be good on the GTI.
Is there any reason to you saying they are just for show, as I was thinking about this set up :happy2:

It's the main reason the Cayenne weighs 2 tons  :grin:

Seriously though the ECS/Porsche calipers don't give anything like the progressive feel of the TAROX's, AP's, Brembo's etc as they are primarily designed for stopping a 2 ton SUV. The one's I tried were either on or off and made for a very jerky, unstable and non-inspiring drive. Don't get me wrong, they do stop you - just don't expect the same feel as GTI designed stoppers. :xmassmiley:
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #62 on: December 27, 2008, 11:28:25 pm »
Quote from: Hurdy on December 27, 2008, 10:29:58 pm
Quote from: ukdub on December 27, 2008, 09:07:23 pm
Quote from: tony_danza on December 27, 2008, 10:11:12 am

The Porsche/ECS ones are just for show, I wouldn't touch them.


You would think that calipers designed to stop a 2 ton SUV would be good on the GTI.
Is there any reason to you saying they are just for show, as I was thinking about this set up :happy2:


It's the main reason the Cayenne weighs 2 tons  :grin:

Seriously though the ECS/Porsche calipers don't give anything like the progressive feel of the TAROX's, AP's, Brembo's etc as they are primarily designed for stopping a 2 ton SUV. The one's I tried were either on or off and made for a very jerky, unstable and non-inspiring drive. Don't get me wrong, they do stop you - just don't expect the same feel as GTI designed stoppers. :xmassmiley:

Thanks for that, I will cross them of the list.  It has to be the Alcon's then.  :happy2:
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #63 on: December 28, 2008, 12:05:01 am »
just to add my thoughts, for fast road use the r32 set up with proper pads are a bargain!

i have found them nothing but fantastic and for the price you cant go wrong. i have driven my car hard on numerous occasions now and i really cant fault them. i am yet to experience any suggestion of fade either
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #64 on: December 28, 2008, 12:06:55 am »
Hurdy's got it in one - we're talking about something that stops a giant SUV, so on a Golf they're either off or on and the master cylinder isn't up to the job, which is a shame as they got it so right with the MKIV's Boxter based set up. There's also the issue of using a minimum 15mm spacer, the first compression corner and you're shedding the wing. The track is bigger on the front as it is, so that's not making it any better and there's also possible wheel bearing issues in the long term.

If you look at it, they simply haven't been well thought out in terms of anything other than looking the part. They don't function as a viable upgrade.

Alcons are superb and loved by the Scooby lot, they're rare on the MKV and pads can be tricky to get hold of - but certainly on par with APs. Speak to EARS Motorsport in Macclesfield, they'll generally do them 10% off list. www.ears.co.uk
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #65 on: December 28, 2008, 12:26:02 am »
Quote from: tony_danza on December 28, 2008, 12:06:55 am
There's also the issue of using a minimum 15mm spacer, the first compression corner and you're shedding the wing. The track is bigger on the front as it is, so that's not making it any better and there's also possible wheel bearing issues in the long term.

If you look at it, they simply haven't been well thought out in terms of anything other than looking the part. They don't function as a viable upgrade.

....We all love to look cool, but why is it that too many folks give priority to the looks over the function. This applies to both brakes and suspension. Surely only a fool will give priority to the looks.
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #66 on: December 28, 2008, 11:12:35 am »
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #67 on: December 28, 2008, 11:22:38 am »
Very good price indeed!.. I bet you'd get a bit more off if you asked too.
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #68 on: December 28, 2008, 05:03:15 pm »
been looking at the alcon's too, only prob they are not red and would like to keep as oem as poss, but 4 pots for that price...  am off to regal tomo to get a few bits fitted anyway, so will see if they like to barter  :xmaslaugh:
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #69 on: December 29, 2008, 04:00:08 pm »
I like the fact that the Alcons are race proven.

http://www.vag-tuner.com/acatalog/Race_Car.html
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #70 on: December 29, 2008, 04:25:22 pm »
^^ im put off the Alcons as they caused no end of problems on the Racing pumas, and needed regular servicing etc, they have probably changed these days but still  :sad:
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #71 on: December 29, 2008, 07:10:14 pm »
I seem to remember Regal ran Alcons on their MKV VW Cup car - ask them honestly how much, if any trouble they were?
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Re: Post Stage 2 Brakes Discussion
« Reply #72 on: December 29, 2008, 07:16:54 pm »
was there today and they swear by them used on mk5s and vxr's, according to their chap the set on the mk5 cup car have not needed any replacement parts since they were put on and has been through 2 seasons, 10 races per season so most be tough
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