New speeding fines

[Kai96]

Just sharing this encase anybody hasn't seen it. What do you think ? Good news or to harsh ?

Be careful out there everybody 

[ady-uk]

Depends on roads.....

built up housing areas, especially passing schools etc.   Fully supported!

motorways etc, should be like german autobhans.
No limit but keep it sensible.... crash being reckless and you're is big sh*t!

[rich83]

Whoever came up with this needs to f*ck right off. Driving fast does not cause accidents.

[Paradox1]

You get stupid drivers everywhere.

setting these stricter speed regulations will just cause people to jump on there brakes suddenly and cause a pile up.. theres already too many cars on the road. speed up the traffic and problem solved

[pudding]

I heard about it, unnecessary tbh and too harsh. So people struggle to make ends meet, picture if they were late for work got caught going 2 mph over, and then lost 50% of that weeks wage now they might miss a car or mortgage payment.

Ridiculous just the government wanting more money, I wouldn't worry about paying it if it was going to the NHS or Armed Forces, but it'll be spent on MP expenses and the dole...

We all need to be on our best behavior on Monday then, because you can guarantee the scamera vans will be out in force!

Is it fair?  In part, yes, because the more irresponsible and frivolous with the gas pedal you are, the more you should pay if you get caught.  We are adults after all and should be well up to speed on the consequences of our actions by now, but why should Mr Bob Astard rich playboy pay the same 60 quid fines as the rest of us for doing 456mph on the M1?  It was exactly that kind of disparity that forced the middle classes out of 250K homes in the early 2000s because 3% stamp duty was a lot to them, but feck all to a millionaire.

This country has cried out for hitting the rich harder for decades, and well, here it is folks, the beginning of it.  Be careful what you wish for 

The unfair part of it is the 'squeezed middle classes' as you've alluded to there.  Which is annoying because statistically the biggest offenders usually have no, or a very low, income.  Car thieves, no insurance, that kind of thing.  Try getting 150% of jack schitt out of someone on the dole.  "You, yes you, the middle class Mr Smiths of this world, you are dutifully paying your taxes and keeping this crappily governed country afloat, but f'ck you very much, you broke the speed limit, so we'll just help ourselves to your bank account, thanks.  We don't care if your kids can't eat this week as a result, but we'll keep paying for Mr Steven Cumbag's SKY box and mobile phone, and he doesn't have to pay any fines for doing 100 in a 30 because he has no income".

Sucks hairy arse but don't let the establishment suck the joy out of your lives.  Nothing much will change, just have to keep your eyes peeled for five O and scamera vans.

Back to standard or Stage 1s for us lot then folks 

[pudding]

Is the fine based on gross or net income?   

[willni]

We all need to be on our best behavior on Monday then, because you can guarantee the scamera vans will be out in force!

Is it fair?  In part, yes, because the more irresponsible and frivolous with the gas pedal you are, the more you should pay if you get caught.  We are adults after all and should be well up to speed on the consequences of our actions by now, but why should Mr Bob Astard rich playboy pay the same 60 quid fines as the rest of us for doing 456mph on the M1?  It was exactly that kind of disparity that forced the middle classes out of 250K homes in the early 2000s because 3% stamp duty was a lot to them, but feck all to a millionaire.

This country has cried out for hitting the rich harder for decades, and well, here it is folks, the beginning of it.  Be careful what you wish for 

The unfair part of it is the 'squeezed middle classes' as you've alluded to there.  Which is annoying because statistically the biggest offenders usually have no, or a very low, income.  Car thieves, no insurance, that kind of thing.  Try getting 150% of jack schitt out of someone on the dole.  "You, yes you, the middle class Mr Smiths of this world, you are dutifully paying your taxes and keeping this crappily governed country afloat, but f'ck you very much, you broke the speed limit, so we'll just help ourselves to your bank account, thanks.  We don't care if your kids can't eat this week as a result, but we'll keep paying for Mr Steven Cumbag's SKY box and mobile phone, and he doesn't have to pay any fines for doing 100 in a 30 because he has no income".

Sucks hairy arse but don't let the establishment suck the joy out of your lives.  Nothing much will change, just have to keep your eyes peeled for five O and scamera vans.

Back to standard or Stage 1s for us lot then folks 

Back to 1 litre 60 bhp fiestas! But the unfairness is more than that as many on the dole live better lives that those that go out to work, I'm sure you've seen the same articles in the papers time and time again. Maybe we should all riot and get a free tv to make us all feel better 

Is the fine based on gross or net income?   

I'd imagine net, but it's the government so probably gross to get more out of us

[Tommihayes]

... Mr Bob Astard & Mr Steven Cumbag...

That's really cheered up my first day back at work after Easter!

[pudding]

We all need to be on our best behavior on Monday then, because you can guarantee the scamera vans will be out in force!

Is it fair?  In part, yes, because the more irresponsible and frivolous with the gas pedal you are, the more you should pay if you get caught.  We are adults after all and should be well up to speed on the consequences of our actions by now, but why should Mr Bob Astard rich playboy pay the same 60 quid fines as the rest of us for doing 456mph on the M1?  It was exactly that kind of disparity that forced the middle classes out of 250K homes in the early 2000s because 3% stamp duty was a lot to them, but feck all to a millionaire.

This country has cried out for hitting the rich harder for decades, and well, here it is folks, the beginning of it.  Be careful what you wish for 

The unfair part of it is the 'squeezed middle classes' as you've alluded to there.  Which is annoying because statistically the biggest offenders usually have no, or a very low, income.  Car thieves, no insurance, that kind of thing.  Try getting 150% of jack schitt out of someone on the dole.  "You, yes you, the middle class Mr Smiths of this world, you are dutifully paying your taxes and keeping this crappily governed country afloat, but f'ck you very much, you broke the speed limit, so we'll just help ourselves to your bank account, thanks.  We don't care if your kids can't eat this week as a result, but we'll keep paying for Mr Steven Cumbag's SKY box and mobile phone, and he doesn't have to pay any fines for doing 100 in a 30 because he has no income".

Sucks hairy arse but don't let the establishment suck the joy out of your lives.  Nothing much will change, just have to keep your eyes peeled for five O and scamera vans.

Back to standard or Stage 1s for us lot then folks 

Back to 1 litre 60 bhp fiestas! But the unfairness is more than that as many on the dole live better lives that those that go out to work, I'm sure you've seen the same articles in the papers time and time again. Maybe we should all riot and get a free tv to make us all feel better 

Is the fine based on gross or net income?   

I'd imagine net, but it's the government so probably gross to get more out of us

I don't read the papers or watch the news.  Too much negativity, sensationalism, propaganda and flat out lies - all engineered to cause civil unrest.  Ignorance is bliss I say 

I can quite believe it though. Someone earning millions only has to pay 5% more income tax than the squeezed middle, and the same basic NI rate.  And the tax they do pay is minimal because of the fancy accountants they employ to exploit the loopholes that our government are too spineless to close.

So yeah, the middle classes get royally f'cked over and I don't really want to see it glorified and sensationalised on the news.  Especially considering that famous Televised Benefits family from Ipswich are only 1 mile from where I live.  Yep, the rather immoral family who churned out 9 kids deliberately in order to get the benefits.  Ipswich council willingly gave them a 5 bed detached house, paid for their kids to have bikes, pet fish, plus all the other niceties of life that the rest of us scrimp and save for.

It's hard to ignore, but we have to ignore it.....and just console ourselves in the fact we are decent human beings who are upstanding with good morals.  The benefit thieving pond scum can hang out in their grotty little ghettos and kill each other off for all I care.

[willni]

I don't read the papers or watch the news.  Too much negativity, sensationalism, propaganda and flat out lies - all engineered to cause civil unrest.  Ignorance is bliss I say 

I can quite believe it though. Someone earning millions only has to pay 5% more income tax than the squeezed middle, and the same basic NI rate.  And the tax they do pay is minimal because of the fancy accountants they employ to exploit the loopholes that our government are too spineless to close.

So yeah, the middle classes get royally f'cked over and I don't really want to see it glorified and sensationalised on the news.  Especially considering that famous Televised Benefits family from Ipswich are only 1 mile from where I live.  Yep, the rather immoral family who churned out 9 kids deliberately in order to get the benefits.  Ipswich council willingly gave them a 5 bed detached house, paid for their kids to have bikes, pet fish, plus all the other niceties of life that the rest of us scrimp and save for.

It's hard to ignore, but we have to ignore it.....and just console ourselves in the fact we are decent human beings who are upstanding with good morals.  The benefit thieving pond scum can hang out in their grotty little ghettos and kill each other off for all I care.

I'm not decent or morally upstanding I'm going to go into their house and make a sandwich or watch tv and can soundly say I and millions of others paid for this, I'm going to use it.

Or else I want a name plaque with my name on it over a couple of fixed potholes 

[Juliand]

Is the 10%+2 MPH being scrapped too? The table on first post  runs 21-30; 31-40 etc...  Probably not, just not publicised.

Depends how 'relevant income' is defined. Same offence = same fine. What's income got to do with it?

Encourages driving without plates.....perhaps

A few thoughts

[irish_ram]

The simple answer you could say is if you do the crime, do the time or in this case the fine. However do I think the current laws out there are suitable for todays roads then no I don't.

These are some hefty fines and supposed to deter people speeding a bit like the mobile phone use which the higher fines now but I do think it will work. However with such hefty fines then maybe they should introduce a 3 strike rule or something as giving out some of these fines on 1st offense is very steep indeed.

My own opinion is whether I agree with the fines and points or not, if I get caught speeding and have to pay one of these fines and get the points then it is my own fault and no one else to blame. For me to blame the law makers it is like seeing a fire ahead that someone else put there but still walking into it when i could easily avoid and then blaming the guy who started it 

But speeding I agree is not the worst killer on roads and there are no laws out there to protect us fully aware drivers from the moronic idiots who cannot seem to grasp the simple task of driving and doing several things at once. I mean things like not indicating, driving slow, middle lane hogging, these are all just as dangerous as speeding in certain circumstances but you do not get anyone hauled over for it and fined 

[loop]

No mention of speed awareness courses? Always better than points + fine!


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[AJP]

No mention of speed awareness courses? Always better than points + fine!


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They cost the government money, rather than make the government money. There's your answer.

[Juliand]

No mention of speed awareness courses? Always better than points + fine!


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They cost the government money, rather than make the government money. There's your answer.

Are you sure? 30 people on a course@circa £100 =£3,000.....Venue hire and tutor fees no where near £3,000.... So where does the difference go??