New speeding fines

[AJP]

No mention of speed awareness courses? Always better than points + fine!


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They cost the government money, rather than make the government money. There's your answer.

Are you sure? 30 people on a course@circa £100 =£3,000.....Venue hire and tutor fees no where near £3,000.... So where does the difference go??

Well, it was an assumption (based on me being a cynic). You're probably right. It's a choice of course or points isn't it, and the fine's compulsory?

Are we saying the Speed Awareness courses are being scrapped then..? If I'm being less cynical, I'd like to think they did stop some drivers from driving like idiots.

[leebes]

What happens if you are on the dole and have no income? Do the unemployed not have to pay the fines!

[Shamm]

Am i right or wrong. What iv heard is that you ar allowed to do 10% about the limit i.e 30mph you can do no more then 33mph?

[AJP]

Am i right or wrong. What iv heard is that you ar allowed to do 10% about the limit i.e 30mph you can do no more then 33mph?

My understanding is that this was/is never officially declared by the Police; kind of an unwritten rule. I've also heard that different forces across the country had different 'tolerances'.

It stands to reason. A traffic cop should be allowed to use discretion, reasonably, and the 10% thing was a guideline to keep the discretion consistent. That's my take on it anyway. There aren't enough coppers in the country to pull everyone doing 65mph in a 60. Certainly not these days.

I bet if you actually got pulled doing 65mph in a 60, and tried to plead the 10% rule, you'd get a blank, sour face from the copper.

[Adam0604]

UK officials still working with their backwards mindsets I see.

[dansmith180]

If they're taking a week and a half of my money on doing 160

[willni]

Am i right or wrong. What iv heard is that you ar allowed to do 10% about the limit i.e 30mph you can do no more then 33mph?

My understanding is that this was/is never officially declared by the Police; kind of an unwritten rule. I've also heard that different forces across the country had different 'tolerances'.

It stands to reason. A traffic cop should be allowed to use discretion, reasonably, and the 10% thing was a guideline to keep the discretion consistent. That's my take on it anyway. There aren't enough coppers in the country to pull everyone doing 65mph in a 60. Certainly not these days.

I bet if you actually got pulled doing 65mph in a 60, and tried to plead the 10% rule, you'd get a blank, sour face from the copper.

Over here in NI they scrapped the 10% rule, but instead let the officers use their discretion, which is really a shot in the dark, you'll get some nice and some that want to inflict everything. It's not the points etc people are worried about it's the income since the average family is about 2.5 kids say 3 in this case, one of the parents just laid off struggling to make ends meets, 3 children still in dependent age. Weekly wage and savings won't go long especially if one were caught speeding.

I'm not against fines, or the proportionate fines but there's bound to be a better way like mandatory community service, everyone is equal there even those on the dole, but you're not taking away from hard working families having a hard stint.

[AJP]

Am i right or wrong. What iv heard is that you ar allowed to do 10% about the limit i.e 30mph you can do no more then 33mph?

My understanding is that this was/is never officially declared by the Police; kind of an unwritten rule. I've also heard that different forces across the country had different 'tolerances'.

It stands to reason. A traffic cop should be allowed to use discretion, reasonably, and the 10% thing was a guideline to keep the discretion consistent. That's my take on it anyway. There aren't enough coppers in the country to pull everyone doing 65mph in a 60. Certainly not these days.

I bet if you actually got pulled doing 65mph in a 60, and tried to plead the 10% rule, you'd get a blank, sour face from the copper.

Over here in NI they scrapped the 10% rule, but instead let the officers use their discretion, which is really a shot in the dark, you'll get some nice and some that want to inflict everything. It's not the points etc people are worried about it's the income since the average family is about 2.5 kids say 3 in this case, one of the parents just laid off struggling to make ends meets, 3 children still in dependent age. Weekly wage and savings won't go long especially if one were caught speeding.

I'm not against fines, or the proportionate fines but there's bound to be a better way like mandatory community service, everyone is equal there even those on the dole, but you're not taking away from hard working families having a hard stint.

Completely agree that being ordered to put something back in, as in community service, rather than something being forced from you, like a fine (equivalent to an MP's brunch bill) that cripples a family, is the best way to go.

We'll try not to veer into left/right politics here though guys.

[Wolf Burger]

The speed limit is what it is. Exceed it and be fined. It is that simple.

HOWEVER

M1 Motorway J27 to J29 Northbound.
Slow cars from the National speed limit to restricted limits just because speed cameras are there is ridiculous!
Cash camera folly.

[willni]

Completely agree that being ordered to put something back in, as in community service, rather than something being forced from you, like a fine (equivalent to an MP's brunch bill) that cripples a family, is the best way to go.

We'll try not to veer into left/right politics here though guys.

True, think everyone would like to see people doing community service and actually helping, rather than kak sculptures and other peoples pockets.

Side note to try and lighten this topic - In Canada police forces issue positive reinforcement to people following the law such as eg a free donut or ice cream. (I actually do think Canada is very well run, but I'm sure it's different if you live there)

[Richie-VRS]

I wonder if in Scotland over 100 is still considered dangerous driving. I got caught over 100mph years ago and got the minimum sentence of a 1yr ban and £300 fine.

Going by this new set of punishments I'd be better off in a situation like that?

[Gary]

I wonder if in Scotland over 100 is still considered dangerous driving. I got caught over 100mph years ago and got the minimum sentence of a 1yr ban and £300 fine.

Going by this new set of punishments I'd be better off in a situation like that?

In that situation, over a hundred would be classed as dangerous driving or potnetially culpable and reckless, therefore not a speeding offence, so that proportionate fining wouldn't apply.

[flashp]

Whoever came up with this needs to f*ck right off. Driving fast does not cause accidents.

Agreed, it's the misuse of speed rather than the application. Erratic driving is far more dangerous.
However, being devils advocate, I suppose they have limited means to control the bell ends. I named last Monday 'Plank Holiday Monday'.
And don't even start on mobile phones........those new laws have made zero impact IMO.

So in fact, yes, FEK OFF!

[AJP]

Whoever came up with this needs to f*ck right off. Driving fast does not cause accidents.

Agreed, it's the misuse of speed rather than the application. Erratic driving is far more dangerous.
However, being devils advocate, I suppose they have limited means to control the bell ends. I named last Monday 'Plank Holiday Monday'.
And don't even start on mobile phones........those new laws have made zero impact IMO.

So in fact, yes, FEK OFF!

Agreed too.

However, I can't see things changing. Penalising speed, rather than nobbery itself, is apparently the most effective means of reducing danger, when:

Nobbery x Speed = Danger

How can they reduce or penalise nobbery, short of completely redesigning the driving test and euthanizing 60% of the country's drivers?

Cameras can't detect nobbery, but they sure can detect speed.

I'm not saying it's right, or fair. It's just how it is, unfortunately.

So theoretically, if you eradicate nobbery, you eradicate all danger. If you eradicate speed, you only eradicate danger when nobbery is also part of the equation. Therefore, nobbery is the problem, not speed.

Nobbery.

[pudding]

Dashcams detect nobbery. 

Adults are no different to school kids.  We persistently push our luck until teacher steps in and disciplines us.   The discipline for our apathy and complete disregard for the law as adults will come in the form of mandatory dashcams.  Forward, rear and driver facing.  Mark my words