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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #270 on: February 20, 2012, 08:15:17 am »
Yeah that's what I thought Steve and dust seals sounds like it Dave was not sure
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Mods yes but way too many to stick in this little box

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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #271 on: February 20, 2012, 12:44:26 pm »
interesting chat today from the horses mouth

Ds2500 pads woefully inadequate on track a certain number of cars had big problems at Snettertn and Donnington can't for the life of me think why people would even attempt to make that combination of fast road pad, upside down caliper and a tough track work.....

ive just had the discussion with people that know the racing, the teams, everybody practically is on a dedicated track pad F2.

restrictions regarding the use of DS2500 Might and it only is a MIGHT be down to the rotors not coping, that said and being fair Aaron's discs were a mess and juddering badly on the DS2500 but the Mintex  F2's cleaned them up nicely and drove very well.

Suspicions regarding the upside down caliper thing may be a rigidity issue..... sticking plastered by putting them on upside down

I also have AP rotors to replace the Caparo rotors ( common mod apparently), and 10 different compounds available on the shelf right now...from road going ds2500 to Project Mu for which I will not accept body parts as part payment

This info direct from the pit lane at last years Cup series......

In fact just had a a look at the timing results from Snetterton last year 18 out of 21 runners on Mintex F2

These are the facts, let's try to see through marketing hype and fan boys and apply some common sense and traditional accepted thinking

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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #272 on: February 20, 2012, 07:06:45 pm »
I will PM about some updates for mine Dave, as always thanks for your input on all things friction related  :happy2:

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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #273 on: February 20, 2012, 08:20:32 pm »
Dave

So if you use higher spec pads and floating rotors is that the bbk sorted.

Are all VW Cup cars running these setups?

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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #274 on: February 20, 2012, 08:21:52 pm »
I will PM about some updates for mine Dave, as always thanks for your input on all things friction related  :happy2:

Steve is that an update by vwr to fix your bbk, or update to get rid

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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #275 on: February 20, 2012, 08:23:03 pm »
I will PM about some updates for mine Dave, as always thanks for your input on all things friction related  :happy2:

Steve is that an update by vwr to fix your bbk, or update to get rid

Going to explore the options, but I think in hindsight I wouldn't select them again.

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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #276 on: February 20, 2012, 08:32:50 pm »
Have you spoken to matt about your concerns?

Mods yes but way too many to stick in this little box

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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #277 on: February 20, 2012, 08:38:19 pm »
Not yet, but I will report back when I do.

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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #278 on: February 20, 2012, 08:44:09 pm »
 :drinking: great stuff

Mods yes but way too many to stick in this little box

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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #279 on: February 20, 2012, 08:47:13 pm »
I've emailed matt but no response yet.

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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #280 on: February 20, 2012, 08:48:28 pm »
Might have to call down myself too

Mods yes but way too many to stick in this little box

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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #281 on: February 20, 2012, 08:49:15 pm »
I've emailed matt but no response yet.

That makes a change  :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #282 on: February 20, 2012, 08:50:48 pm »

Mods yes but way too many to stick in this little box

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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #283 on: February 20, 2012, 09:29:54 pm »
I've emailed matt but no response yet.

That makes a change  :laugh: :laugh:

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Probably just smoothing the air bubbles out from some VWR caliper stickers......................
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Re: VW Racing Big Brake kit product review
« Reply #284 on: February 20, 2012, 10:06:58 pm »
Dave

So if you use higher spec pads and floating rotors is that the bbk sorted.

Are all VW Cup cars running these setups?

that would take the kit to over £2.5K....that opens up a WHOLE lot of options, advanced brake kits at that sort of money deal with heat by design..... fully float in the bell systems with front face cooling for example

if you cut out the hype of which calipers people are running, in the pit lane it's simply down to what pads people run. The calipers at that level are simply there to hold the pads in the correct place nobody gives a rats arse what calipers you run, it's accepted they're up to the job and pads are what counts

I would suggest the racing line customer prepped cars run the kit as they have a vested interest in selling their own kit, in the main its AP racing and Alcon, the VWR kit uses an AP pad shape that's been around since the sixties . As I alluded to earlier all the cars are run on a budget so it doesn't need to be top notch stuff it just needs to last 20 laps they can worry about the next race between races.

There's a place for the VWR kit, my issue with it is Value for Money, I've not commented on my own personal viewpoint on the kit until now, take the badge of it and it's a £1200 inc vat kit which would be competing with Forge, K-Sport, XYZ, willwood., Hi-Spec. ..... 2 piece far east calipers can be had for £250 a pair landed in the UK duty paid....rotors £150, as I alluded to over on the NQSBBK thread caliper design is a frickin minefield and it's something Im on with, I won't do two piece and mono block billet calipers need 5 axis CNC...it's a 18 month project

Are we to romantically beleive some guy is hand finishing these calipers in Milton Keynes in the corner next to a load of race cars? What aspect of the kit makes it £800 more expensive?