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To stage 2 or 2+ or not at all? Persuade me
Shoduchi:
I enjoyed so much the stage 2+ power that when a 2nd hand TTE420 shown up for sale I couldn't refrain myself from getting it. I got it mostly to have a good headroom to go on track days and not suffer too much from high boost levels with hot weather. For me now it's the way I like it. Build finished (pretty much). :evilgrin:
pudding:
--- Quote from: colesey on July 27, 2018, 10:39:10 am ---Another option would be to sell your exhaust / inlet and go back to stock items with a stage 1 map. That would be cashflow neutral and give a responsive @300bhp / tq. Put @£1k into suspension & brakes upgrades to have a well balanced package. Ecotune seem to be the go-to tuners in Scotland though I suspect there are other decent options.
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This. I went from Stage 1 to 2+ and ended up selling all the 2+ hardware (except the Helix clutch and S3 intercooler, both still fitted) and going back to standard.
Do I miss 2+? Absolutely not. I was very underwhelmed with 2+ after Stage 1 and in all honesty, stock doesn't feel much slower on a day-to-day basis. It keeps up with Golf Rs easily (when rolling into it, standing start - different story :grin: ) and I'm not sure why. When I say standard in terms of mapping, it's my Revo 2+ map in 'stock' mode. Maybe they add a few chocolate sprinkles onto the standard map, or maybe it's the S3 intercooler, not sure, but it's quick! It does not feel 230hp at all, more like 280.
The main reasons for not liking 2+ are:
Stinky over-fuelling - black smoke and black smelly oil 1000 miles after a change.
MAF contamination - PCV reversion from 1.7+bar boost killed the MAF every 10,000 miles or so from oil soaking.
Aftermarket intakes - Nasty things. Gutless below 2500rpm and noisy. The VWR is the quietest, but the fitment quality is abysmal.
Aftermarket big bore exhausts - Not a fan. I like quiet.
Aftermarket HPFPs - They kill cam followers quickly.
KO4 surge - The horrible flat spot you have to dial into the map to work around the KO4's spool characteristics. Very annoying.
Aftermarket uprated clutches - Horrible bite point and bloody heavy in traffic. They prematurely kill off slave cylinders as well.
Uprated engine mounts - Noisy and big vibrations. Vibratechnics Fast Road are the best by far, but cabin refinement will suffer a little. Poly mounts absolutely destroy the interior peace and harmony.
Probably the biggest negative - all that money and effort to gain 40-50hp over Stage 1. It's really not worth it.
If it's just a weekend car or track toy, fair enough, but if it's a daily and you value refinement and every day consistency, stick to Stage 1 and spend the money on the suspension instead. Those 2 things will give you far more smiles per miles than 2+.
I am being negative in order to save you money, and it is the reality of it I'm afraid. Not many people will admit the compromises after spending so much money.
pudding:
On a more positive note, an Edition 30 with really good suspension, top tier tyres and decent geometry is capable of hilarious cornering speeds. A proper little B road blaster :happy2: All 2+ adds to the party is one wheel peels out of corners. Traction = progress. Wheelspin = being beaten off the line by a Ford Mondeo TDCi.
Jgavin1:
Thanks for all the replies. Going by your advice I think I will give the 2+ a miss and just get a stage 1 put on it. I suspect the clutch will need changed at some point in the near future anyway so I could try a a stage 1 and see how it goes 😂
csrigo:
Budget for the clutch mate its almost a certainty with the miles on these cars now.
I have to agree with @Pudding for the most part.. My manual eddy is stage 2+ and I got my clutch done at ecotune purely because I cant be bothered with driveway clutch changes these days and I wanted some comeback...good thing I did..the helix pressure plate went on me and ecotune sorted it under warranty due to parts flaw...was a feckn pain. Great service from ecotune tho.
I would not 2+ on my daily...I'm currently on 2+ and tbh it does feel a bit faster over stage 1 but I have put ££££ into it for that and the gains are probably not really worth it but that's all relative to the individual I suppose. Drivability like pudding says does take a serious hit.
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