Experience of APR Maps

[vRS Carl]

Ok with the risk of being hit by the massive REVO fanboy stick 

Does anyone have any experience of APR maps particularly the Stage 2+ software for K03 Cars

I am currently REVO stage 2+ and without wanting to start slanging matches etc (if you are that interested PM me and i will explain) i am not happy with the REVO K03 Stage 2+ software and i've gone as far as i can with them now. They basically are point blank denying the problem is software based.

So does anyone have experience of the Equivalent APR product?

The only other option i am considering is Shark Performance Stage 3 but will wait until i have seen a RR Graph and been in a Stage 3 Car.

I will say though that the Stage 2 Shark Code produced a very good RR Graph on a DD RR.

Cheers

Carl

[Andy]

think msportman had apr  on is car..I am not a fan of revo..its each to thier own personnal taste thats what makes us all individuals

[Janner_Sy]

ben might have the HPFP fitted by the time he gets to JKM on the 20th. depends if they arrive from USA in time. 

[Pablos007]

I've run APR on all my VAG cars 1.8T's (Stg1 thru Stg3+), R32's & S3's, and have always been impressed by the OE feel of the delivery and way the extra power is delivered.  I know others have had issues with APR but personally I've never had a problem with their software.  I have driven plenty of 2.0T FSI cars with their software, and when driving them on the road was that it felt like it improved the K03's more than the K04s.  This is a subjective opinion of how the cars felt behind the wheel, not necessarily how they performed on the dyno.

My colours aren't nailed to any particular mast anymore so I'm biding my time before getting the ECU upgrade, but I still have a preference for APR knowing the R&D facility and the quality of the engineers that produce the code.  I haven't owned a VW or Audi that ran any other type of software so not able to comment on their day to day driveability.  Hope this helps.

[tony_danza]

I think they write good code, I can't see how anyone could argue with that - certainly in terms of K03 & K04 cars, everyone seems to get what it says on the tin.

A forum member insisted code was a problem not that long ago on here, it was then found that the car had been fitted with an incorrect fuel pressure sensor from the factory. There was absolutely no way the tuner could tell from the diags that it had the wrong sensor, so their code itself was 100%... it was just the problem only manefested itself when the code was switched on and this clouded the real cause.

I'm not saying don't jump, but be sure you're not going to spend £500 to transfer the problem with it.

[Pablos007]

^^^^ +1 

The cars are so complex now that it can be any number of components that causes an issue, especially if that software is running perfectly on other cars.  Over the years I've had boost leaks, MAF issues, coilpacks and even a split intercooler that have caused problems, but initially everyone looks to the software.  It's only when you can do thorough diagnostics that you can see (hopefully!!) where issue is.  A session on a dyno with a good technician may save you lashing out 500 notes on a different remap only to have the same issue just wearing a different badge.

[vRS Carl]

Just as a bit of background I have replaced the following

MAF sensor
MAP sensor
Turbo outlet pipe
Turbo intercooler pipe
BSH Catch Can
Relocated DV and replaced DV
Lamda sensors checked all fine
Throttle body intake pipe replaced
All coil packs replaced
Cylinder Head Cover and Gasket replaced
All other hoses eyc in the engine have been replaced with new oem ones

I have spent near £900 so far trying to locate this hardware problem.

Everything on the car is 100% working as should. Keith at JKM has spent hours looking into this problem and can't find a hardware related problem. I have personally stripped down checked, cleaned, Re-Checked and finally checked again before replacing everything on the pressure side of the system.

The logs for the for the car on the road were completely different to on the RR. It's just now the Logs on the road are manifesting the same as on the RR. The car is going back on JKM's rollers next week and if I still have a loss in power then there is only the software that is left.

Unless anyone can think of anything left for me to check.

I'm not slagging REVO off and everything was fine and perfect on the car at Stage 2. It was when I went stage 2+ that the problems started. I have as already said tried tested and in some places replaced everything that could be a problem.

To be fair Kev Hall was quite helpful with the emails and logs I sent him.

This is just my personal opinion but if I were in charge of REVO I would go out of my way to prove to a customer that the problem was not software related. Not , depending on who you speak to, instantly blame the car/hardware.

REVO is very very good. But they are not flawless as they think. No software ever is. 

Just to also give some perspective as to why I'm 99.9999% certain it's the software. I know of another Octavia vRS (who has since gone K04) that had the same Stage 2+ file. His car went on JKMs RR and his dyno graph was IDENTICAL to mine. It had the same problem in the same area. The power and torque where also IDENTICAL. The only different hardware on his car to mine was he had a 3" turbo downpipe whereas I have a 2.75" Miltek Turbo downpipe. He has a Forge Twintercooler I have an S3 intercooler otherwise everything else is the same

Now you could put that down to a freak co-incidence. However when a mate who has a K03 Leon FR and he got the exact same as me and the other octavia. Identical dyno graphs identical area for the problem

That to me suggests software. What are the chances of 3 cars all at the same state of tune ( different mods in terms if makers bit still all the same )

I also know that the REVO K03 stage 2+ file is different to when it was first released. I'm talking the official release aswell not a BETA code.

Anyway thanks for all the input guys. Keep it coming. I'm always willing to listen to advice and others opinions.
 

[WhiteGTI]

Reuben at Tuningwerkes in Croydon has been running the APR Stage 2 + equivalent for a while now on his KO3 GTI. May be worth phoning him and asking a few questions? If you're local I'm sure he'll take you out in it too!

http://www.tuningwerkes.com/

[bacillus]

ukdub on here is also running stage 2+ on his k03 car...

[Janner_Sy]

i looked into APR a bit before changing from bluefin. but i could not find any dyno proof of APR at stage 2 or 2+ apart frpm on america where they all manage at least 500 wheel horsepower at stage 1.  i did like the idea of switching between maps on the cruise control stick though.

i was so certain of going revo, but carls stage 2+ issues were a bit of a put off and the fact harrys car did the same as well made melook into others.  then i saw how well bens car performed at stage 2 in comparison and how much cheaper it was so i thought id guinea pig my self for that one.  there are alot of guys on briskoda now with his software singing its praises.  he must be one of the predominent tuners on there now.

[MAT ED30]

I ran apr stage 2 on my old 1.8t cupra r 225 and it was awesome and never had any probs with it all 

[bacillus]

out of interest, what HPFP are you using?

[vRS Carl]

Autotech one of the very first to the UK.

Had it for 40k+ miles

No issues at all

[Janner_Sy]

doubt its the pump. jkm would have logged all the specified and actual fuel pressure as soon as there were issues.  have you got your cable back from ross tech yet carl??

[gazbutS3]

I ran APR software on my last 3 cars 8L S3, mk5 GTI and ED30 and have nothing but praise for it, made good smooth gains everywhere and never gave any issues at all and I wouldn't hesitate in using it again. I just fancied a change with the 8P S3 so went Revo