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Strongflex bushes

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Alex Booth:
Stick to SuperPro! Tried and tested, great quality, great customer service. Never had or seen any issues. Buy cheap, buy twice  :happy2:

scopes:

--- Quote from: OllieAKS on September 11, 2019, 05:17:56 pm ---Stick to SuperPro! Tried and tested, great quality, great customer service. Never had or seen any issues. Buy cheap, buy twice  :happy2:

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X2 what ^ he ^ said!

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colesey:
All this talk about X being inferior to Y because it is cheaper is nonsense. People need to keep open minds about the quality of the underlying product and also understand the business models being used.

Superpro sells to public via a distributor and then a dealer. Both of these will add say 50% to their buy-in price eg item leaves factory at 100, distributor sells to dealer at 150 and then dealer to the public at 225.  If another brand like Strongflex sells a similar product directly to public at say 125 then that doesn’t automatically make their product inferior.

pudding:

--- Quote from: Octoparrot on September 05, 2019, 06:31:24 pm ---Checkout humblemechanic latest video to see what issues he's been having with the updated bushes before making a decision.

 

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Different bush style and chassis loadings. Time trials are really hard on suspension. Poly was never a good idea with that platform anyway.  Either OEM TT rubber bushes, or spherical bearings, but defo not poly!  The MK5 is different as it's just rotational and fore and aft loadings.  The MK4 rear wishbone bush was subjected to loadings from all planes and is just a pants design.  Interestingly, the MK7 has gone back to that  :doh:   Cheaper to build than console housings though.  Always comes down to cost.

I can't stand poly on road cars.  I've said it many times, it just has no place on road vehicles.  You can get away with it on the console bush but every other bush should be rubber, imo.  Poly just cannot handle the loadings rubber can, and it suffers from creep and set.....in other words, once it loses it's shape and elasticity, it's no good.  Creep and set happens on the console bushes.  The hole the for the wishbone stub ovalises and causes awful tramlining.

pudding:

--- Quote from: colesey on September 12, 2019, 02:02:22 pm ---All this talk about X being inferior to Y because it is cheaper is nonsense. People need to keep open minds about the quality of the underlying product and also understand the business models being used.

Superpro sells to public via a distributor and then a dealer. Both of these will add say 50% to their buy-in price eg item leaves factory at 100, distributor sells to dealer at 150 and then dealer to the public at 225.  If another brand like Strongflex sells a similar product directly to public at say 125 then that doesn’t automatically make their product inferior.

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Agreed. Poly is poly. It's a standard 2 pack chemical formulation similar to epoxy.  You mix it and pour it into a mould.  Done.

My SuperPro consoles have ovalised just like my old Whitelines did.  I will be going back to OEM rubber (S3) when I get around to it.  OEMs use rubber for a reason.  Even road going race cars like 911 GT3s and the old Lamborghini Countach don't use poly, they use rose joints instead which is far superior than both for maintaining geometry under hard loads.

Another example of your theory is VIS fuel pumps.  Loba charge £650ish, which is frankly scandalous when you can buy them direct from Hitachi for about 100 quid, but you can get the innards for considerably less than that from VIS.  Yes VIS also bombard consumers with useless marketing bum fluff to justify the exorbitant cost of small piece of machined and hardened steel....but it's still way cheaper than the usual scene tax brands.

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