Asymmetric Tyre Advice Needed Please....

[RedRobin]

I'm currently needing to replace my third pair of Goodyear F1 Asymmetrics and have been very happy with them in both dry and extremely wet conditions. What I do is when the front pair get down to 2.5mm I transfer the rears to the front and buy a new pair for the rear axle. This is what I'm advised is best practice on FWD cars.

When I bought my first GY F1 Asymm pair they went on the rear and the GY F1 Directional pair moved to the front axle. This wasn't a good combination and I would find myself randomly subjected to twitches and snatching with the ESP interfering - Usually on fast sweeping bends (on B-roads!). After my initial scares and attempts to reproduce the same in order to understand what was going on and what I needed to do about it I adopted an aggressive 'fook it!' attitude, kept the throttle constant and drove through the problem. I think this problem may have arisen out of the asymmetric+directional mix but helpful as Goodyear Technical tried to be they had never tested their two products together on the same car.

So, I am now thinking of having a pair of Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta, which are asymmetric, and then my next change will result in the Vredy's all round. I used to use Vredestein when I raced bicycles and have always highly rated their rubber, though 18mm slicks with 150psi is a different ball game.

I know that winrya has the Vredy+GY Asymm mix at the moment without issues but if I do buy a pair of Vredy's it'll be the mix I use on my trackday in Nurdleburgering in April and I want to feel safe.

Has anyone got any experience or views about this combination, please?

[Poverty]

Get R1R's, fine i standing water, and let me put down 300ponies in first with 0 wheelspin the other day. Could hear the car components creaking away though 

[gobbleplease]

If you put the New f1s on the rear and old tyres on the front this will cause the rear to be twitchy due to the fact the rears havnt bedded in propperly yet, you are probably aware of this though.

I too run F1s and have found the same, i have also replaced the rear tyres although i expect this to vanish in 1k miles or so.

I usually run Eagle f1s on all my cars im a big fan, never ran the verdis but ive heard they are good too. I also like the contact sports.

[FamilyDub]

The fact you are asking the question means you have doubts. I'd stick with same directionality/patterns, etc.

It might mean replacing four, but surely that's cheaper than retrieving a totalled car from the 'ring...?

[RedRobin]

Get R1R's, fine i standing water, and let me put down 300ponies in first with 0 wheelspin the other day. Could hear the car components creaking away though 

....You have missed the fact that I want to run the same tyres whether road or track without continually changing them.

[Poverty]

Get R1R's, fine i standing water, and let me put down 300ponies in first with 0 wheelspin the other day. Could hear the car components creaking away though 

....You have missed the fact that I want to run the same tyres whether road or track without continually changing them.
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Whats the issue, Its a tyre just like the vred. Why would you constantly need to change r1rs?

[RedRobin]

If you put the New f1s on the rear and old tyres on the front this will cause the rear to be twitchy due to the fact the rears havnt bedded in propperly yet, you are probably aware of this though.

I too run F1s and have found the same, i have also replaced the rear tyres although i expect this to vanish in 1k miles or so.

I usually run Eagle f1s on all my cars im a big fan, never ran the verdis but ive heard they are good too. I also like the contact sports.

....I've never had a problem with deeper treads on the rear axle. Besides, they'd be worn in before I get there.

My plan was to buy a pair of Vredestein asymmetrics not another pair of Goodyear asymmetrics. So are you suggesting I'd be better off with the newer Vreds on the front?

[candy turbo]

i ve just been reading about the ps3 , it gets good reviews , might be worth thinking about robin 

[Poverty]

you might want to read the vreds thread over on scn. DjHorace for example wont be buying another set.

[RedRobin]

Get R1R's, fine i standing water, and let me put down 300ponies in first with 0 wheelspin the other day. Could hear the car components creaking away though  

....You have missed the fact that I want to run the same tyres whether road or track without continually changing them.

Whats the issue, Its a tyre just like the vred. Why would you constantly need to change r1rs?

....Because the R1R is not designed as a general purpose all year tyre AFAIK and furthermore the wear rate is (IIRC) much worse. It's doubtless a great tyre but somewhat more specialist.

[Poverty]

Get R1R's, fine i standing water, and let me put down 300ponies in first with 0 wheelspin the other day. Could hear the car components creaking away though  

....You have missed the fact that I want to run the same tyres whether road or track without continually changing them.

Whats the issue, Its a tyre just like the vred. Why would you constantly need to change r1rs?

....Because the R1R is not designed as a general purpose all year tyre AFAIK and furthermore the wear rate is (IIRC) much worse. It's doubtless a great tyre but somewhat more specialist.

So you are after VFM....How odd 

[winrya]

you might want to read the vreds thread over on scn. DjHorace for example wont be buying another set.

I did a lot of research and came across the guy above but he's pretty much the only negative user i found.  The americans for example are waiting 6 weeks at a time for deliveries and raving about them.  I had some bad experience with ps2's and wouldn't buy them again but many think they are the best tyre out there, so you need to take alot of opinions with a pinch of salt.

[RedRobin]

you might want to read the vreds thread over on scn. DjHorace for example wont be buying another set.

....Where abouts would that be please?

[RedRobin]

you might want to read the vreds thread over on scn. DjHorace for example wont be buying another set.

I did a lot of research and came across the guy above but he's pretty much the only negative user i found.  The americans for example are waiting 6 weeks at a time for deliveries and raving about them.  I had some bad experience with ps2's and wouldn't buy them again but many think they are the best tyre out there, so you need to take alot of opinions with a pinch of salt.

....I've never been a fan of Michelins.

I certainly do need to take a lot of opinions with a pinch of salt and especially when they come from those Cupra boys.

So, are you running your Vreds on front or rear axle? Are you planning to be Vreds all round when the GY's need replacing?  You're the only guy I know so far who has direct experience so I value your opinion.

[Poverty]

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=229804&highlight=camskill+sessanta

I certainly do need to take a lot of opinions with a pinch of salt and especially when they come from those Cupra boys.

The badge certainly makes us inferior.