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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #135 on: April 06, 2012, 10:09:06 am »
I have 9.5:1

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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #136 on: April 06, 2012, 01:31:43 pm »
I run 9.5:1 JE. Stevie.

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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #137 on: April 06, 2012, 02:20:40 pm »
In the unhappy case of finding marks on the pistons, I will have to change them. As the OEM ones cost about the same as Je pistons, I'm thinking of upgrading them. My OEM compression is 10.5 (highest of all, being my AXX was the first TFSI engine code). Je has CR of 8.5:1, 9.5:1 and 10.25:1 with bore 82.5(OEM), 83 and 83.5. I will not go with 8.5 but wouldn't know what to choose between 9.5 and 10.25 (they also make custom so I'd go a little bit lower but not too low). Also, in terms of bore, should I go 83 just to be sure ? (even if the actual diameter is still closer to 82.5). How does lowering the compression affect everything on this engine ? (updated REVO software ?, engine temps....)

Simply go for 9.5:1 !!

Reducing CR will compromise torque at lower revs and overall efficiency,
but you'll get increased safety and engine life and you can also run higher
boost pressueres.

Going for the larger 83 mm bore will require maching to your crank case.
If maching is already necessary I'd go for 83.5 , if not stay with 82.5 mm.
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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #138 on: April 06, 2012, 04:19:15 pm »
Ok guy, 9.5:1 will be if it's the case (hopefully not). However, I have yet to see if I need extra bore on the cylinders. I'll let you know once the engine is opened up !
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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #139 on: April 17, 2012, 08:29:15 am »
2 option arise at this point :

1) Use TEFF's OEM pistons wich have low mileage but a CR of 9.8:1 wich will probably require new software (I will have to talk to Revo about this). Also, I've measured the cylinders and they seem closer to 82 than 82.5 !?!? Why is that ? However, I will have to sand off the whiteish vertical marks on them left by the pistons wich expanded. Now, those marks cannot be felt while passing with the thinger but at the upper side of the cylinders, the last 5mm or so have marks that can be felt. Theoretically those doesn't matter as the piston rings don't reach that area (they are lower, only the top of the piston reaches that area but is not in contact with it). Tis is why I don't know if to stay with 82.5 or go to 83. I will not go to 83.5 because I want to keep room for another bore in the future if another disaster like this one occurs again !

2) JE Pistons with 10.5:1 & 83mm (as advised by Revo & IE) + new IE rods (The IE rods I have now work with OEM pistons only !) + new Calico bearings. This option is much more expensive but is safer and doesn't require modifying the software. Keep in mind I don't need the extra strength of forged pistons since I will even lower the software to 340-350HP and 450NM for the next track days. I will lower the boost and fuel (richer mixture to cool things down) to achieve that. The setting used until now was 9-7-9 wich may seem high for most but it's what worked for me with close to no CF (timing retard). The f9 setting is the leanest and hottest of all so I may try 7-7-7 or even 7-7-5 (can't say for sure until I make some logs) !   
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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #140 on: May 23, 2012, 10:22:07 am »


....That must be a very tidy modification of the OEM arch liner?

Your car has really shaped up well - One of my favourite black GTI's  :notworthy:


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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #141 on: May 25, 2012, 01:58:57 pm »
awesome looking car mate :D love the interior :D

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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #142 on: May 25, 2012, 04:21:02 pm »
Thanks guys...hopefully the car will soon be rollin' again. The engine block has been honed to 83 and will get Je Pistons + IE rods & Calico bearings !
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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #143 on: June 18, 2012, 10:08:22 am »
Fuscobal - are you still selling your RS-GT's?
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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #144 on: June 19, 2012, 04:30:05 pm »
Have been sold to a fellow russian guy about 1 month ago :) !
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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #145 on: June 25, 2012, 12:23:24 am »
That interior is so clean. Love the custom doorcards.

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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #146 on: June 25, 2012, 04:10:56 pm »
Yes, they are very nice indeed but will have to go to stock soon so they will be for sale for those interested in some serious car audio performance ! These may be the most beautiful Golf 5 door cards ever made !  :happy2:
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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #147 on: June 25, 2012, 10:08:30 pm »
Thats always good to know but if im honest audio upgrades are at the bottem of my list. Im sure they will go to a good home. But I would like to know where you got them done and how much it cost?


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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #148 on: June 26, 2012, 05:16:00 pm »
A friend of mine who is the best in our country made them (he even makes car audio for guys from other countries). The total cost was about 1200 Euros without the speakers !
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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #149 on: June 26, 2012, 09:03:22 pm »
The same guy who made my whole interior