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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2010, 01:25:03 pm »
And here are some pics from the latest work to the subwoofer enclosure. I still have to add the grill and custom mats !





And some other pics of the car >





Yes, Gobbleplease, I very much preffer the OEM exterior to all the kits on the market today. The only external mod I would do is the thunderbunny front bumper but I find it way too expensive ! The car participated in 2 EMMA european finals at sound-quality and won 3rd place each time. This year , after several improvements in the sound system, it will participate again and hopefully I will become european champion :)
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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2010, 01:28:10 pm »
AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME, this is my kind of build thread. super cool builds man. going to be doing mine this week fingers crossed only took me 6 months to get round to it ha ha :rolleye:

Keep up the strong work :happy2:

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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2010, 07:10:11 pm »
the most beautifull gti that i know 8)

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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2010, 08:32:23 pm »
 :drool: :drool: wow, awesome car. I wish one day i could get a ride in it

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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2010, 05:09:43 pm »
Some really good mods there matey, keep up the good work  :notworthy: :drool:
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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2010, 08:08:27 pm »
Hey mate, why don't you tell the guys about the latest mods installed on the fuscomobil?   :pomppomp:
@all: don't laugh (too hard) about the "fuscomobil" thing... it's the name I gave to the beast, inspired from Batman's car. :signLOL:

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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2010, 08:50:14 pm »
awesome mods and creative with the stereo!
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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2010, 11:15:14 am »
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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2010, 12:15:04 pm »
Did you fit the fuel pressure reg valve?

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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2011, 11:52:02 am »
Yes, the twintercooler, shifter bushing and RS4 valve have been installed...all working great. Just received my Carbotech RP2 pads for track use. These pads have been designed for R-compound tires only, being too strong for street tires. Fade temperatures for the pads that I own :

- Ferodo DS2500 > 540 deg Celsius > I use them on street
- Carbotech XP10 > 870 deg Celsius > I used them on my last track days from 2009 and 2010 at Nurburgring and Hungaroring
- Carbotech RP2 > 1100 deg Celsius > I will use them starting from this spring. They are the equivalent of XP12 in terms of grip but they are endurance pads and last 2 times more. I've laso weighed these and they have 1126g/pair



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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2011, 10:26:06 pm »
very nice speaker set up :happy2:

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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2011, 07:04:28 pm »
Time for some updates since many happened to the car since my last post

18.03.2011

Car's weight without driver + 55% gas :

Front left > 442Kg
Front right > 515Kg
Rear left > 339.5Kg
Rear right > 279Kg
TOTAL > 1575.5Kg

Car's weight + driver + 55% gas :

Front left > 474Kg
Front right > 530Kg
Rear left > 372Kg
Rear right > 288Kg
TOTAL > 1664Kg

The difference between the 2 measurements = 88.5Kg, meaning exactly my weight :

My weight distribution on the 4 wheels :

Front left > 32Kg
Front right > 15Kg
Rear left > 32.5Kg
Rear right > 9Kg
TOTAL > 88.5Kg

It's interesting to notice that on the left side, more of my weight went to the rear wheel than the front one, meaning that either my CG is more towards the rear than the car's CG (hard to believe), either the rear suspension compresses more under the same weight than the front one.

Weight distribution including driver :

Left - right :

Left = 846Kg > 50.84%
Right = 818Kg > 49.16%

Front - rear :

Front = 1004 > 60.34%
Rear = 660Kg > 39.66%

Cross weight :

Front left - Rear right = 762Kg > 45.79%
Front right - Rear left = 902Kg > 54.21%

If the left - right distribution is pretty good, you can clearly see the cross weights are very different. The front right must be heavier due to the subwoofer from the passenger's feet and the rear left might be heavier because the car is lower on that side. This distribution may also be related to the stiff roll-bars.

Car's CG position on a horisontal plane :




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Car's CG position on a vertical plane :

You first need to weigh the car on a horisontal plane (did that), then you need to raise the rear of the car by say 30-40cm and only weigh the front this time (you need to completely block suspension movement (this is kind of hard to accomplish by me). The position of the CG on the vertical axxis is necessary in order to be compared with the rotation center (CR) of the car wich can be obtained like this > On a transversal section of the car, you draw a line parralel to the lower arm and one perpendicullar to the damper on the upper side of this one. From the point where these 2 intersect, you draw a third line to the point where the middle of the tire meets the road. The intersection of this line with the vertical symmetry axxis of the car gives the CRSe traseaza o dreapta in prelungirea bratelor inferioare si o dreapta perpendiculara pe amortizor plecand din partea de sus a acestuia (la flansa). The closer the CG and CR are, the less body roll you have and the chassis will lean less on both directions !



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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2011, 07:16:46 pm »
01.04.2011

Installed the following items :

- BSH OCV revamp wich replaces the originl PCV
- USP Fluidampr wich should remove some of the SMF chatter, better dampen the crankshaft's vibration at high RPMs. The Fluidampr has 2738g while the OEM only 1639g.
- USP SS clutch line to better hold the pressure of the hidraulic system.
- Replaced one of the engine mounts with a new OEM one wich looks pretty different than the one that came with the car 5 years ago !



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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2011, 07:22:25 pm »
18.04.2011

Removed some weight for the incoming Hungaroring track day :

- subwoofer + enclosure > 34.5Kg
- spare wheel + tools > 17.5Kg
- MDF board over the amplifiers > 8.2Kg

TOTAL : - 60Kg from the last track day


To follow :

- S3 front reinforcement bar (aluminium vs steel on GTI) > -10Kg ?
- Odyssey racing battery wich has 12.5Kg (27Kg for my current deep cycle one) > -14.5Kg
- Recaro Poleposition > -30Kg
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Re: Black magic Mk5 GTI
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2011, 10:39:03 pm »
07.05.2011

Installed the A3 reinforcement bar, S3 spindles and the Tyrolsport bushings on the R32 front brakes.



Weight :

- GTI reinforcement bar> 7.1Kg
- A3 reinforcement bar > 5.3Kg
- bearing > 3.226-3.240Kg (GTI si S3 are the same)
- GTI spindle > 4.413Kg
- S3 spindle > 2.928Kg

Weight difference on the spindles : aprox 1.5Kg/corner
Weight difference on the reinforcement bars : aprox 1.8Kg (much less than estimated)

Wheel position :

Didn't do any exact measurement but it goes like this :

With 235/35/19 on 8.5J BBS RS-GT rims  :

- OEM arms + OEM spindles > the wheel is perfectly aligned with the fender

- TT arms + OEM spindles > the wheel stitches out of the fender by approx. 7mm
- TT arms + S3 spindles > the wheel stitches out of the fender by approx. 10mm


On the road :

The steering feels a little lighter and more responsive but what amazed me the most was the comfort increased ?!?! (while the damping and rebound are as fast as before, the suspension doesn't feel as crashy as before). The only logical explanation I found was the damper works better due to the lower mass of the new spindle !

Install :

As you can see on the pics, the TT arms cannot be installed above the balljoint as on TT because they touch the spindle. I installed them just like on the OEM GTI

Reinforcement bar install :

Unfortunately the weight difference was too small so I wouldn't do it again as the trouble to install it was too big > had to fabricate new brackets and the hook cannot be used anymore also
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