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Very budget track build
terrier:
--- Quote from: Clarkj93 on September 15, 2023, 12:50:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: Pudding on September 09, 2023, 12:14:18 pm ---Yeah it's just the valve overlap heating up the intake, perfectly normal. That is also why catch cans and PCV deletes are pointless. Exhaust reversion carbons up the intake valves regardless.
:grin: Ask him about his old Peugeot 205 gti next time you speak to him. It had a rear mounted turbo on it! I think it was on that car he cut his teeth on suspension tuning :happy2:
Yeah the ring is a bumpy track by all accounts. Never been, but in the onboard videos online, it certainly looks bumpy! So backing off the damping in 'ring mode' helps with stability at speed. When I was messing with mine, roll centre was the single most important thing to get right, but I just lacked the funds and inclination to investigate TTRS knuckles. If that approach isn't affordable, then stiffer springs it has to be unfortunately!
The Tyrol kit was very good. Not the cheapest but it certainly did the job. The only snag with very precise subframe location is it makes subframe refitment trickier if it ever has to come down again. Lots of fenangling with precise angles etc but it's doable. But on the flip side, the geometry doesn't change as it all goes back exactly where it was, unlike the stock sloppy fitment :happy2:
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Yeah I misread the price on the Tyrol kit... ouch! Creation Motorsport do one too which is much more affordable, their quality is usually very good considering the price but albeit not the best you can get. Does that mean when you fitted the deadset kit that the subframe only has 1 position it can go in? getting rid of the the subframe being in a right wonky state like mine is now after fiddling with it?
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As said tyrol kit which i have fitted hasnt moved in 4 years The CM ones are not quality and are suspiciously similar to aliexpress ones I bought the washers only and they are BAD
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32830273084.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.74.21ef1802SVmNCq
Clarkj93:
--- Quote from: terrier on September 15, 2023, 03:25:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Clarkj93 on September 15, 2023, 12:50:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: Pudding on September 09, 2023, 12:14:18 pm ---Yeah it's just the valve overlap heating up the intake, perfectly normal. That is also why catch cans and PCV deletes are pointless. Exhaust reversion carbons up the intake valves regardless.
:grin: Ask him about his old Peugeot 205 gti next time you speak to him. It had a rear mounted turbo on it! I think it was on that car he cut his teeth on suspension tuning :happy2:
Yeah the ring is a bumpy track by all accounts. Never been, but in the onboard videos online, it certainly looks bumpy! So backing off the damping in 'ring mode' helps with stability at speed. When I was messing with mine, roll centre was the single most important thing to get right, but I just lacked the funds and inclination to investigate TTRS knuckles. If that approach isn't affordable, then stiffer springs it has to be unfortunately!
The Tyrol kit was very good. Not the cheapest but it certainly did the job. The only snag with very precise subframe location is it makes subframe refitment trickier if it ever has to come down again. Lots of fenangling with precise angles etc but it's doable. But on the flip side, the geometry doesn't change as it all goes back exactly where it was, unlike the stock sloppy fitment :happy2:
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Yeah I misread the price on the Tyrol kit... ouch! Creation Motorsport do one too which is much more affordable, their quality is usually very good considering the price but albeit not the best you can get. Does that mean when you fitted the deadset kit that the subframe only has 1 position it can go in? getting rid of the the subframe being in a right wonky state like mine is now after fiddling with it?
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As said tyrol kit which i have fitted hasnt moved in 4 years The CM ones are not quality and are suspiciously similar to aliexpress ones I bought the washers only and they are BAD
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32830273084.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.74.21ef1802SVmNCq
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Shame that... Did they just move around or break or something that made them a no-go?
pudding:
--- Quote from: Clarkj93 on September 15, 2023, 12:50:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: Pudding on September 09, 2023, 12:14:18 pm ---Yeah it's just the valve overlap heating up the intake, perfectly normal. That is also why catch cans and PCV deletes are pointless. Exhaust reversion carbons up the intake valves regardless.
:grin: Ask him about his old Peugeot 205 gti next time you speak to him. It had a rear mounted turbo on it! I think it was on that car he cut his teeth on suspension tuning :happy2:
Yeah the ring is a bumpy track by all accounts. Never been, but in the onboard videos online, it certainly looks bumpy! So backing off the damping in 'ring mode' helps with stability at speed. When I was messing with mine, roll centre was the single most important thing to get right, but I just lacked the funds and inclination to investigate TTRS knuckles. If that approach isn't affordable, then stiffer springs it has to be unfortunately!
The Tyrol kit was very good. Not the cheapest but it certainly did the job. The only snag with very precise subframe location is it makes subframe refitment trickier if it ever has to come down again. Lots of fenangling with precise angles etc but it's doable. But on the flip side, the geometry doesn't change as it all goes back exactly where it was, unlike the stock sloppy fitment :happy2:
--- End quote ---
Yeah I misread the price on the Tyrol kit... ouch! Creation Motorsport do one too which is much more affordable, their quality is usually very good considering the price but albeit not the best you can get. Does that mean when you fitted the deadset kit that the subframe only has 1 position it can go in? getting rid of the the subframe being in a right wonky state like mine is now after fiddling with it?
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Jesus they've gone up, substantially! :surprised: I'm sure it was around £150 when I got mine, but that was like, 6 years ago or something :grin: Welcome to Brexit, cost of living crisis, and erm, reasons!
Yeah exactly that. Once the deadset is fitted, the subframe can only go back on in exactly the same position it came off, which is fiddly. You can of course just dissamble everything and bolt things back up individually, but then you'd likely need a realignment because the consoles would move out of their locked in position, well, from what I can remember at least. The fiddliness of putting it back as one lump pays off because the alignment doesn't change :smiley:
The key to a decent deadset is the alignment collars need to be harder than aluminium and also not cause galvanic corrosion. Tyrol's bronze alloy does that nicely. Aluminum collars would be a waste of time and stainless ones would definitely cause galvanic corrosion. It's why OEMs don't use stainless bolts.
Another key advantage of the deadset is the ARP bolts, which I might have mentioned previously. Again, Tyrol identified the main area of slipping and just binned off the VAG bolts in favour of decent ones. That is why the kits are expensive because the bolts are custom and low volume for a big company like ARP. Something to remember is Tyrol are race car specialists. Cloning companies are just that, they just copy a decent product and delude themselves that inferior materials will do the same job.
I totally get they are expensive for a few collars and bolts, but it's the only kit I'd recommend personally :happy2:
Haven't been on here in a while, any updates, or is the old girl tucked away for winter hybernation now?
terrier:
--- Quote from: Clarkj93 on September 15, 2023, 03:50:07 pm ---
--- Quote from: terrier on September 15, 2023, 03:25:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Clarkj93 on September 15, 2023, 12:50:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: Pudding on September 09, 2023, 12:14:18 pm ---Yeah it's just the valve overlap heating up the intake, perfectly normal. That is also why catch cans and PCV deletes are pointless. Exhaust reversion carbons up the intake valves regardless.
:grin: Ask him about his old Peugeot 205 gti next time you speak to him. It had a rear mounted turbo on it! I think it was on that car he cut his teeth on suspension tuning :happy2:
Yeah the ring is a bumpy track by all accounts. Never been, but in the onboard videos online, it certainly looks bumpy! So backing off the damping in 'ring mode' helps with stability at speed. When I was messing with mine, roll centre was the single most important thing to get right, but I just lacked the funds and inclination to investigate TTRS knuckles. If that approach isn't affordable, then stiffer springs it has to be unfortunately!
The Tyrol kit was very good. Not the cheapest but it certainly did the job. The only snag with very precise subframe location is it makes subframe refitment trickier if it ever has to come down again. Lots of fenangling with precise angles etc but it's doable. But on the flip side, the geometry doesn't change as it all goes back exactly where it was, unlike the stock sloppy fitment :happy2:
--- End quote ---
Yeah I misread the price on the Tyrol kit... ouch! Creation Motorsport do one too which is much more affordable, their quality is usually very good considering the price but albeit not the best you can get. Does that mean when you fitted the deadset kit that the subframe only has 1 position it can go in? getting rid of the the subframe being in a right wonky state like mine is now after fiddling with it?
--- End quote ---
As said tyrol kit which i have fitted hasnt moved in 4 years The CM ones are not quality and are suspiciously similar to aliexpress ones I bought the washers only and they are BAD
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32830273084.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.74.21ef1802SVmNCq
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Shame that... Did they just move around or break or something that made them a no-go?
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Aluminium versus stainless :wink: Chalk and cheese driving, no noise with the stainless kit
The aluminium washers lost their shape Price says it all really :thinking:
Clarkj93:
Yeah while there are many options out there it seems there is really only actually one.... any money for the golf next year will be on chassis stuff e.g roll cage so will have to be another time.
Well life has been busy plus I lost interest for about a month to be honest, I was enjoying eating and drinking too much :grin:
The last two weeks just been cleaning up and getting it ready for its MOT, fingers crossed it goes through, I'm not totally convinced it will yet :grin:
After taking the shocks off and on so many times the wheels were allover the place. So I tried doing a home alignment for the first time, it was actually okay and the car drives straight about 90% of the time, its just adding a lot of lock when parking or navigating around low speed tight bends where you noticed its a little askew but perfectly safe to use and drive to the MOT and for the 1.5 hour trip to Taunton to get retro resus to set it up properly.
So after test driving and confirm it aligned okay I got to test the new 550 front/450 rear spring setup. Despite being about 1kg/mm stiffer front and rear the car actually rides far better on the road as well as being stiffer in total.... I really do not understand the point in progressive springs, they just seem to ride like crap and give less performance. The only issue I have currently is now the top mount is mounted lower, it means the angle of the drop link is less up-right and when I have the ARB on full hard it is genuinely only has about 2mm of clearance from the driveshaft! Full soft and medium the clearance is fine though, I do want to run it on full hard though too as for anyone who knows Combe, the exit of the Esses (first chicane) there is so much camber that you can lose a lot of time by having too soft ARB's. I might just ask Retro Resus to see if they can wiggle stuff around next time, I cant be asked taking subframes off in the winter months frankly!
Little bonus pic just because I thought it looked so cool from behind parked in the driveway!
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