thanks. Generally find the Osram/philips +xxx% a bit disappointing, but may given them a go. Have some decent led's with same location of led's as halogen filament, and just fitted them with the appropriate adaptors (had to remove one headlight to do it in the else). Will check beam pattern later. Was considering xenons but it seems they are not so great either, so I'll try the Osrams if these led's are no better/more trouble to others than they are worth.....