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Aleksandar:
--- Quote from: Clarkj93 on October 29, 2023, 09:39:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: Aleksandar on October 29, 2023, 06:06:59 am ---Speaking to Rob at Area motorsport he has advised to go with verkline lower control arms and camber arms from hardrace plus some sverical bushes etc. I wanted to go with the anti squat verkline but he said they tested them and they are not doing much for £1000.
I want the subrframes as well at some point but they are another 2k which I think can wait after the nitron setup from rob.
Do you happen to know how much the tt wheels weigh?
I've been looking at bola 7.8kg each in 8.5j and et 45. Very good price.
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Darkside said the same thing about the anti squat bits, shame that, sounded an interesting idea. Umm the TT's will be heavy, I think the 7.5j golf ones are 11kg I think so the wide 9j TT ones I bet are more like 13 or so. Its what I'll probably stick on as I'll run multiple sets of wheels to keep costs down until I can justify the price for performance over other things.
Are you running track tyres? What power level... Speaking to rob he is suggesting a 255 front with 235 rear... That's awesome but expensive especially as I need new wheels as well 🫣...
I've got boost gauge installed but not wired yet 😬
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Clarkj93:
Yeah 20-30mm stagger is quite common. I run ar-1's 225 all around at the moment, production gti champ cars also have to run 225 all around and I think the TTcr cup do as well. Bigger fronts would be ideal but it's not like you're going to understeer everywhere without it. A good diff, a ton of front camber and some rear toe out will help the front grip great.
Depends on your budget really, remember Rob has a long list of race cars including Tcr cars so throwing 2k on a set of tyres is no big deal for them lot. If you're going to end up on that staggered setup but cant justify the cost in the best tyres e.g a052/direzza etc I would personally have a long think if its worth it compared to running the best tyres on a smaller or standard setup. But there is always the option of used tcr slicks (260mm) that are very cheap to buy, lots of mixed experiences on these, some people race on them and they do great where as others struggle to be as quick as the top semi slick roa legal tyres even.
I run 260bhp by the way with no diff currently, cage is planned for 2024 so diff will probably be the year after. It's too much power with an open diff really, I usually turn the power down to around 240 which is much more manageable.
Aleksandar:
--- Quote from: Clarkj93 on November 01, 2023, 07:19:07 pm ---Yeah 20-30mm stagger is quite common. I run ar-1's 225 all around at the moment, production gti champ cars also have to run 225 all around and I think the TTcr cup do as well. Bigger fronts would be ideal but it's not like you're going to understeer everywhere without it. A good diff, a ton of front camber and some rear toe out will help the front grip great.
Depends on your budget really, remember Rob has a long list of race cars including Tcr cars so throwing 2k on a set of tyres is no big deal for them lot. If you're going to end up on that staggered setup but cant justify the cost in the best tyres e.g a052/direzza etc I would personally have a long think if its worth it compared to running the best tyres on a smaller or standard setup. But there is always the option of used tcr slicks (260mm) that are very cheap to buy, lots of mixed experiences on these, some people race on them and they do great where as others struggle to be as quick as the top semi slick roa legal tyres even.
I run 260bhp by the way with no diff currently, cage is planned for 2024 so diff will probably be the year after. It's too much power with an open diff really, I usually turn the power down to around 240 which is much more manageable.
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I see your point, my car will be mapped on the 13th to stage 2 plus and it will hopefully be between 360 to 380 bhp with smooth power delivery from rtech. I have a wavetrack fitted and I think that should help the current grip is amazing but it's probably 240bhp with the added intake, 3.5inch downpipe and 3 inch system backed by the intercooler... So not much really to challenge the Michelin pilot 4 and the diff..
My thoughts have been to keep the 7.5 inch with Michelin pilot 4 and test the power and then decide if to go light 7.5 inch rim and 235 all round or go with staggered tyres on wider rim... :thinking:
I'm running b14 at the moment with superpro handling pack and arb which are fitted from previous owner and on the road it's good and neutral, I'm not sure how well the b14 are going to be on track and sticky tyres so looking to spend £3200 on area motorsport spec ed Nitron was the plan... 😎 plus the verkline LCA and hard race goodies which will then be as good as their race car setup... Hopefully 🤩
Snetterton is open on the 18th this month so hopefully I can make it an test the setup as is to give me some level of understanding of where to trow the funds towards 😁😄.
Would definitely want a set of rims for track use only so it's just a question of width cost and do I leave the b14 for a season and try them or move on to a complete setup from start 😱😂
What coilover and setup are you running? Also some advice on seats would be great as well👌🏼
Clarkj93:
--- Quote from: Aleksandar on November 01, 2023, 08:56:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: Clarkj93 on November 01, 2023, 07:19:07 pm ---Yeah 20-30mm stagger is quite common. I run ar-1's 225 all around at the moment, production gti champ cars also have to run 225 all around and I think the TTcr cup do as well. Bigger fronts would be ideal but it's not like you're going to understeer everywhere without it. A good diff, a ton of front camber and some rear toe out will help the front grip great.
Depends on your budget really, remember Rob has a long list of race cars including Tcr cars so throwing 2k on a set of tyres is no big deal for them lot. If you're going to end up on that staggered setup but cant justify the cost in the best tyres e.g a052/direzza etc I would personally have a long think if its worth it compared to running the best tyres on a smaller or standard setup. But there is always the option of used tcr slicks (260mm) that are very cheap to buy, lots of mixed experiences on these, some people race on them and they do great where as others struggle to be as quick as the top semi slick roa legal tyres even.
I run 260bhp by the way with no diff currently, cage is planned for 2024 so diff will probably be the year after. It's too much power with an open diff really, I usually turn the power down to around 240 which is much more manageable.
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I see your point, my car will be mapped on the 13th to stage 2 plus and it will hopefully be between 360 to 380 bhp with smooth power delivery from rtech. I have a wavetrack fitted and I think that should help the current grip is amazing but it's probably 240bhp with the added intake, 3.5inch downpipe and 3 inch system backed by the intercooler... So not much really to challenge the Michelin pilot 4 and the diff..
My thoughts have been to keep the 7.5 inch with Michelin pilot 4 and test the power and then decide if to go light 7.5 inch rim and 235 all round or go with staggered tyres on wider rim... :thinking:
I'm running b14 at the moment with superpro handling pack and arb which are fitted from previous owner and on the road it's good and neutral, I'm not sure how well the b14 are going to be on track and sticky tyres so looking to spend £3200 on area motorsport spec ed Nitron was the plan... 😎 plus the verkline LCA and hard race goodies which will then be as good as their race car setup... Hopefully 🤩
Snetterton is open on the 18th this month so hopefully I can make it an test the setup as is to give me some level of understanding of where to trow the funds towards 😁😄.
Would definitely want a set of rims for track use only so it's just a question of width cost and do I leave the b14 for a season and try them or move on to a complete setup from start 😱😂
What coilover and setup are you running? Also some advice on seats would be great as well👌🏼
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Yeha depends how dedicated you are to the track work. The verkline front lower control arms will be awesome I bet, on a mcphearson strut car that extra stiffness, adjustability and track width will be a big plus for sure.
So I run full race Super pro bushes front and rear. Whiteline arb front and rear. TT front control arms. B14 coilovers all around like you but with custom springs and top mounts. The B14 are fine tbh, if you're running a stiff arb like you are they feel OK in the turns, but as they progressive springs on the brakes they can feel a little nose heavy as the weight transfer is not linear, but genuinely they are fine on track you won't be dissapointed at all, just don't expect to set a lap record. Put it this way with my car still at full oem wieght on ARB's, standard B14 setup and knackered rubber bushes I was still keeping up with 200bhp race cars so they're genuinely fine but your nitrons will be a big step up for sure.
Aleksandar:
--- Quote from: Clarkj93 on November 01, 2023, 10:16:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Aleksandar on November 01, 2023, 08:56:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: Clarkj93 on November 01, 2023, 07:19:07 pm ---Yeah 20-30mm stagger is quite common. I run ar-1's 225 all around at the moment, production gti champ cars also have to run 225 all around and I think the TTcr cup do as well. Bigger fronts would be ideal but it's not like you're going to understeer everywhere without it. A good diff, a ton of front camber and some rear toe out will help the front grip great.
Depends on your budget really, remember Rob has a long list of race cars including Tcr cars so throwing 2k on a set of tyres is no big deal for them lot. If you're going to end up on that staggered setup but cant justify the cost in the best tyres e.g a052/direzza etc I would personally have a long think if its worth it compared to running the best tyres on a smaller or standard setup. But there is always the option of used tcr slicks (260mm) that are very cheap to buy, lots of mixed experiences on these, some people race on them and they do great where as others struggle to be as quick as the top semi slick roa legal tyres even.
I run 260bhp by the way with no diff currently, cage is planned for 2024 so diff will probably be the year after. It's too much power with an open diff really, I usually turn the power down to around 240 which is much more manageable.
--- End quote ---
I see your point, my car will be mapped on the 13th to stage 2 plus and it will hopefully be between 360 to 380 bhp with smooth power delivery from rtech. I have a wavetrack fitted and I think that should help the current grip is amazing but it's probably 240bhp with the added intake, 3.5inch downpipe and 3 inch system backed by the intercooler... So not much really to challenge the Michelin pilot 4 and the diff..
My thoughts have been to keep the 7.5 inch with Michelin pilot 4 and test the power and then decide if to go light 7.5 inch rim and 235 all round or go with staggered tyres on wider rim... :thinking:
I'm running b14 at the moment with superpro handling pack and arb which are fitted from previous owner and on the road it's good and neutral, I'm not sure how well the b14 are going to be on track and sticky tyres so looking to spend £3200 on area motorsport spec ed Nitron was the plan... 😎 plus the verkline LCA and hard race goodies which will then be as good as their race car setup... Hopefully 🤩
Snetterton is open on the 18th this month so hopefully I can make it an test the setup as is to give me some level of understanding of where to trow the funds towards 😁😄.
Would definitely want a set of rims for track use only so it's just a question of width cost and do I leave the b14 for a season and try them or move on to a complete setup from start 😱😂
What coilover and setup are you running? Also some advice on seats would be great as well👌🏼
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Yeha depends how dedicated you are to the track work. The verkline front lower control arms will be awesome I bet, on a mcphearson strut car that extra stiffness, adjustability and track width will be a big plus for sure.
So I run full race Super pro bushes front and rear. Whiteline arb front and rear. TT front control arms. B14 coilovers all around like you but with custom springs and top mounts. The B14 are fine tbh, if you're running a stiff arb like you are they feel OK in the turns, but as they progressive springs on the brakes they can feel a little nose heavy as the weight transfer is not linear, but genuinely they are fine on track you won't be dissapointed at all, just don't expect to set a lap record. Put it this way with my car still at full oem wieght on ARB's, standard B14 setup and knackered rubber bushes I was still keeping up with 200bhp race cars so they're genuinely fine but your nitrons will be a big step up for sure.
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Absorbing everything in, I've been reading your thread and it is interesting how much hassle you have been through for the suspension setup. I'm currently inclining to get the camber plates you have and get area motorsport to set everything up with the bilstein and hardrace/verkline goodies.
That's in December I hope and then for spring buy some ad09 and 255 235 staggered setup and run the car like this on some BOLA wheels
https://www.driftworks.com/bola-flc-18x8-5-et42-45-custom-pcd-matt-gunmetal-858c42mgmbwflc.html
They are 45 ofset so I'm hoping that 8.5 wide will clear,y brembo and will be OK with no spacers, they weigh 8.1kg which I think it's great for the price... :drinking:
Then I'll have to decide on seats and how to mount the harnesses 🙄😄
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