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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..Steve P goes all EasyJet!!!!
« Reply #225 on: July 23, 2010, 06:47:04 pm »
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Dave

They're expensive but what price your sanity!

Had a few guys just place the shims in the pistons........they're sticky backed and need sticking to the back of the pads, apologies for stating the obvious!!

Another pair of calipers with shims and pads that look in good nick £0.01p start

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PORSCHE-BOXSTER-BREMBO-4POT-BRAKE-CALIPERS-FRONTS-DISCS_W0QQitemZ220641599977QQcategoryZ10408QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D20%26pmod%3D260628976644%26po%3DLLIW%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6920902690755001089

Sound cheers Dave  :happy2:
The pads that came with my calipers are Galfer..they have got brembo all over them also, any good?

Looking very nice Muckipup  :wink:

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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
« Reply #226 on: July 23, 2010, 07:22:12 pm »
Galfer = Great pads

Galfer are not available aftermarket apart for very exclusive Italian Supercars such Ferrari & Lamborghini as far as im aware.

Galfer supply to factorys only at the behest of Brembo.

Stick em in mate

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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
« Reply #227 on: July 23, 2010, 07:51:27 pm »
Galfer = Great pads

Galfer are not available aftermarket apart for very exclusive Italian Supercars such Ferrari & Lamborghini as far as im aware.

Galfer supply to factorys only at the behest of Brembo.

Stick em in mate

Thats what i like to hear  :happy2:

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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
« Reply #228 on: July 23, 2010, 08:05:56 pm »
Galfer = Great pads

Galfer are not available aftermarket apart for very exclusive Italian Supercars such Ferrari & Lamborghini as far as im aware.

Galfer supply to factorys only at the behest of Brembo.

Stick em in mate

Thats what i like to hear  :happy2:

Eh...I thought you were saving for an Edition 30... :signLOL:
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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
« Reply #229 on: July 23, 2010, 10:07:10 pm »
Pleased to report the brakes have bedded in very well, shame they have to come off the car to be refinished.

The only thing I think I would change, if it's possible/practical, is getting the disc machined down to remove the area that is going to be unswept by the porker pads  :happy2:

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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
« Reply #230 on: July 24, 2010, 11:26:03 am »


Dave

Had a few guys just place the shims in the pistons........they're sticky backed and need sticking to the back of the pads, apologies for stating the obvious!!


Dave - Not sure what you mean about just placing the shims in the pistons. Do you mean they don't peel off the cover to the sticky-back shims?



The only thing I think I would change, if it's possible/practical, is getting the disc machined down to remove the area that is going to be unswept by the porker pads  :happy2:

It's a fair point Steve. It doesn't phase me but you can expect this regarding the unswept area:

« Last Edit: July 24, 2010, 11:27:47 am by muckipup »

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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
« Reply #231 on: July 25, 2010, 10:26:21 pm »
Galfer = Great pads

Galfer are not available aftermarket apart for very exclusive Italian Supercars such Ferrari & Lamborghini as far as im aware.

Galfer supply to factorys only at the behest of Brembo.

Stick em in mate

Thats what i like to hear  :happy2:

Eh...I thought you were saving for an Edition 30... :signLOL:

HAHA yes i am sort of Wayne... Kerry keeps reminding me the kitchen needs doing first  :sad1:

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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
« Reply #232 on: July 27, 2010, 07:45:21 am »
Galfer = Great pads

Galfer are not available aftermarket apart for very exclusive Italian Supercars such Ferrari & Lamborghini as far as im aware.

Galfer supply to factorys only at the behest of Brembo.

Stick em in mate

Interestingly, the Jurids that I have as a spare set are printed 'Jurid' on the back but the metalwork is stamped GALFER3853FF.

My anti-rattle / anti-squeel dampers have arrived so I may try the Jurids instead of the Bosch pads when I fit the dampers tonight.

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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
« Reply #233 on: July 27, 2010, 01:20:40 pm »
DaveB1970 - Did you get my email? I cant PM you as im so new unfortunately...

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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
« Reply #234 on: July 27, 2010, 01:27:25 pm »
Just to add...... i was going a 'bit' quick on my dinner, came around a corner and a car had stopped in the road with smoke pouring out of it!!

i had forgotten how quickly these things stop you!  :surprised:


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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
« Reply #235 on: July 29, 2010, 10:51:31 am »
Quick update and question:

QUESTION: Has anyone else noticed that if they pump the brakes, the pedal firms up a bit as would be expected but if the pressure is maintained on the peddle it very slowly but surely drops?

It is only by mm's every few seconds and seems to stop part of the way down but is still noticeable. I can see any leaks at all and don't think I have any air in the system  :scared: . Perhaps it always did this even with the original brakes. I dunno.  I would appreciate if someone could give this a try rather than go by memory.  :happy2:

UPDATE: I swapped over the Bosch pads for the Jurids (stamped GALFER3853FF on the metalwork) at the same time as putting on the anti-rattle ('anti-sqeel') shims last night. I also pushed a further litre of ATE SL.6 through the front calipers.

Even with only some light breaking in and 30 miles of travel, the Jurids seem to have the edge over the Bosch pads imho. Not saying Bosch were bad and they were still much better than the original setup but, until last  night, I really only had one 'data point' with these new calipers.

DaveB - you asked about the Bosch and mentioned that they were getting good review but I will probably stick with the Jurids for now.

One observation to share - whether it was the new Bosch pads with the stick-on antisqueel pads from 3M or the Jurids with the Porsche anti-sqeel damping plates, getting these pads in is a tight fit! I guess the 25mm thickness of the 312 disc vs. 24mm of the Boxster disc combined with the 0.5mm or so of antisqueel backing makes things a bit snug. The sticky-back of the new shims added to the challenge. However, with a bit of a wiggle, loosening the disc-retaining bolts and a few taps with a hammer, they seated in OK and the discs were tight but moveable.  I had an MOT earlier this week which noted "slight binding" on the o/s disc.  However, I put some grease on the pad-retaining pegs last night to aid movement and, with the sticky-back shims, I am hoping that the pads now retract a little more when the pistons are relaxed.

The good news is that so far the squeel has gone with the Porsche shims but I need to give it more time as it started off OK the last time (then the pistons ate through the anti-sqeel pads). It got progressively worse with time and as the brakes/discs heated up to the point of being very noticeable previously. Those 3M sticky pads just didn't do it for me!
« Last Edit: July 29, 2010, 10:53:05 am by muckipup »

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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
« Reply #236 on: July 29, 2010, 11:28:55 am »
DaveB1970 - Did you get my email? I cant PM you as im so new unfortunately...

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Dave

Excellent feedback thanks, with regards the slight binding, I'd reccomend that you remove the caliper with the two attach bolts  - take out the pads with the shims on and then with the brake res cap off gently push the pistons all the way back in......

This is a sort of Ctrl-alt-del for calipers, if you added the thickness of the shims without moving the pistons all the way back then the rollback of the fluid seal which gives you the 10th of a mm piston retraction when you take your foot of the brake wont work properly as its previous "datum"'s been moved. Im not saying thats the problem just a possible cause and effect. I may not be understanding quite fully what you did in which case apologies and ignore me

The Porsche shims are good - hopefully that will be the end of your noise - I take it you wont be recommending the 3M stuff as an alternative to others then!! What about the Bosch Pads worthwhile fitting? I know there 30 odd quid cheaper, but I must admit spending all the money on the calipers then the kit then the fitting to scrimp on the pads seems pointless I guess

Regarding the sinking pedal, I thought that only happened on TDI's which had a faulty secondary air pump for servo assistance, it might be you have a leaky vacuum pipe to your servo - or am I talking boll0cks

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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
« Reply #237 on: July 29, 2010, 11:40:07 am »
Quick update and question:

QUESTION: Has anyone else noticed that if they pump the brakes, the pedal firms up a bit as would be expected but if the pressure is maintained on the peddle it very slowly but surely drops?

It is only by mm's every few seconds and seems to stop part of the way down but is still noticeable. I can see any leaks at all and don't think I have any air in the system  :scared: . Perhaps it always did this even with the original brakes. I dunno.  I would appreciate if someone could give this a try rather than go by memory.  :happy2:


Can't say I have noticed this but will check and confirm later  :happy2:

I gave mine a battering last night and did notice was after about 10mins of pushing the brakes the initial bite was lost but the braking power remained good. If you touched the brakes, come off the pedal and then back on straight away the initial bite was back.

Also under very very heavy braking the pedal did very nearly hit the floor but I am not sure if this is down to the EBD, not something the AP's did though  :confused:

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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
« Reply #238 on: July 29, 2010, 11:57:49 am »
DaveB - thanks again. I had a bash at pushing the pistons back in last night with the reservoir cap off and the calipers still attached and the back of a couple of ring spanner for gentle leverage  :ashamed: Well, it did move them back and allowed me to get the pads in so we'll see how we get on.

I shan't slate the 3M pads as they seem to have worked for others from what I hear....they were as useful as a chocolate teapot for me though  :grin:

Steve - much appreciated  :happy2: I am hoping that it is just what happens rather than leaking vacuum pipes or knackered servo!
« Last Edit: July 29, 2010, 12:07:37 pm by muckipup »

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Re: NQS BBK A Not Quite So Big Brake Kit..With Install Pics
« Reply #239 on: July 29, 2010, 12:06:59 pm »
I've noticed the steady sink on the peddle on several VAG cars that I've driven and owned, the S3 does it as well :smiley: