Retuning the ED30

[Hedge]

Somebody who works for VW/Audi must know the conclusive answer.

ETKA tells you everything. 

[RedRobin]

Somebody who works for VW/Audi must know the conclusive answer.

ETKA tells you everything. 

....Actually, not quite. ETKA numbers can be slightly different for the same part. But let's not get into all that.. Again!! [cue for T_T]

[Nasir]

So the S3 engine is superior then if they are different?

[mackit]

I think most might agree that the combination of the power output and the 4-wheel drive system is pretty hard to compete against.   

[Nasir]

Oh I know that, I mean just the engine. If it's different, how? And how do they both re-map to the same figure? (or am I looking at it too simply?)

[jmspear]

I think most might agree that the combination of the power output and the 4-wheel drive system is pretty hard to compete against.   

until you are on the track (in the dry) when the lightness and balance of the ed30 will be superior (power nothwithstanding), all that 4 wheel drive just adds weight and little benefit unless you are either on a slippery surface or your driving style benefits from 4 wheel drive 

[Oli]

The Ed30 engine is NOT the same as the S3 engine . . . this has been thrashed to death, and proven before.

Oh my god, here we go!

[Rockdrummerzero]

Also important to remember that a 3 Door Manual ED30 is around 70 Kg lighter than a 5 door, check the stats ! This means approx' 6% better power to weight ratio. Therefore a 5 Door DSG car has a permanent 'extra passenger' weight dissadvantage, simples.

My manual 3 Door has a sunroof, so not as light as it could be, you guys with Manual ED30's 3 Door NO SUNROOF should be chuffed that you have the very best power to weight ratio of the entire GTI range ( including the 'R' with the lardass 4WD and 1521 kG which is an extra 190 Kg over a 3 Door ED30 and a power advantage of only 40 bhp )

Figures are all out there if you want to be precise with referencing.

[Nasir]

Also important to remember that a 3 Door Manual ED30 is around 70 Kg lighter than a 5 door, check the stats ! This means approx' 6% better power to weight ratio. Therefore a 5 Door DSG car has a permanent 'extra passenger' weight dissadvantage, simples.

My manual 3 Door has a sunroof, so not as light as it could be, you guys with Manual ED30's 3 Door NO SUNROOF should be chuffed that you have the very best power to weight ratio of the entire GTI range ( including the 'R' with the lardass 4WD and 1521 kG which is an extra 190 Kg over a 3 Door ED30 and a power advantage of only 40 bhp )

Figures are all out there if you want to be precise with referencing.

Seems a bit extreme.

[jmspear]

Go on the ciruit and do some sessions without a passenger and then with and you will be amazed at the difference, not just speed, the biggest difference is in braking and cornering, you can carry more speed round a corner when lighter. However, on the road you won't really notice much difference (at least I hope) as you won't be driving near the edge of the envelope.

This is why the elise is so effective, in the words of the late grate colin chapman for more performance just add lightness.

[182_blue]

The Ed30 engine is NOT the same as the S3 engine . . . this has been thrashed to death, and proven before.

Oh my god, here we go!

Didnt ETKA prove that all the internals were exactly the same ?

[RedRobin]

Go on the ciruit and do some sessions without a passenger and then with and you will be amazed at the difference, not just speed, the biggest difference is in braking and cornering, you can carry more speed round a corner when lighter. However, on the road you won't really notice much difference (at least I hope) as you won't be driving near the edge of the envelope.

This is why the elise is so effective, in the words of the late grate colin chapman for more performance just add lightness.

....Yep, the good old 'power-to-weight-ratio' - Basic physics.

I think that Lotus have taken it too far for my taste though - I really don't like them.

[NB07]

The Ed30 engine is NOT the same as the S3 engine . . . this has been thrashed to death, and proven before.

Oh my god, here we go!

Didnt ETKA prove that all the internals were exactly the same ?

yep im sure some of the tuners dissected them and found the S3/ED30/Cupra all the same

[Jules86]

I think most might agree that the combination of the power output and the 4-wheel drive system is pretty hard to compete against.   

until you are on the track (in the dry) when the lightness and balance of the ed30 will be superior (power nothwithstanding), all that 4 wheel drive just adds weight and little benefit unless you are either on a slippery surface or your driving style benefits from 4 wheel drive 

That will be 90% of british roads in british weather then 

Didnt Johnny C go back to the Ed30 after his S3 though? Must be better if it was worth doing that!

[Poverty]

the s3 engine is slightly stronger, woopey fooking doo. Doesnt make em anymore powerful though when fettled