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My (fairly standard) Edition 30
jt1:
Vry nice :happy2: :happy2:
fastismycopilot:
--- Quote from: Phil Mcavity on January 17, 2009, 08:47:29 pm ---Stealth, we know that just an exhaust on a standard ed30 wont give 270bhp, its the roller lottery all over again.
It will be around the 240bhp at best for a stock car.
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I'd have to disagree. The stock car was listed at 230bhp by VW, for a full exhaust replacement to only give a nominal 4% uplift in power on stock figures is a low calculation. Particularly given the power on almost every Ed30 taken in by Superchips when they were looking at re-maps was 240ish stock - bear in mind these are figures that it would be in their interest to 'underquote' in order to boost their own results. They didn't, they just provided the facts verified on 2 different Rolling Roads.
So if we take a complete Exhaust system which has been built from scratch to maximise the performance of the car (this is the Milltek prototype exhaust we're talking about) and look at the fact it's added 9% to the stock power it's not unreasonable. The power uplift on the Forge DV is what puzzles me more than anything.
240bhp 'at best' from a stock car when that's what it's putting out at stock? Nah, sorry but how did people tune their cars before the ECU was invented?. I'm not interested in how much power my car puts out, I'm interested in the 'feel' of it, hence why I decided against the Bluefin on mine.
Phil Mcavity:
You must have a car thats made from some kind of criptonite!. Youve missed some rolling road days in which several Standard Ed30 cars were put on Dyno Dynamics rollers, one of the cars was tested on a set on rollers as stock and produced 260bhp, then went on these and produced along with 4 other stock cars, stock hoursepower. why do you think your engine/turbo will produce more then thousands of others?.
All im saying is you are not gonna get 40 bhp increase from a full milltek!!!.15-20 at the most.
Have a look at these to see where im coming from and see why this has been covered over and over and over and over and over again......
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/GalleryGTI041008.htm.
john_o:
now now Phil play nice with the new members :wink:
fastismycopilot : this as Phil says has been a hot topic of debate. Id suggest looking more at the relative increase than absolute figures
JKM (DD) rollingroad typically shows 'matching' OE figures (230 ish for a std ED30) (doesnt mean they are right though!)
Awesome/Proport etc tend to show larger numbers than this. (up to 255 for a std ED30)
As long as runs are repeatable then you can prove a % increase for a mod :happy2:, irrespective of the tuner you frequent.
imho adding a DV aint gonna add any bhp (unless you had a previous fault) more likely to be a run variation (temp etc)
If it runs great and pulls strong then as you say thats all that matters. besides with DSG its gonna fly...............
Anyway nice contraversial first post, welcome to the forum I look forward to your input.
fastismycopilot:
--- Quote from: Phil Mcavity on January 18, 2009, 11:19:32 am ---You must have a car thats made from some kind of criptonite!.
I take it you mean kryptonite? Geekish point I know.....
Youve missed some rolling road days in which several Standard Ed30 cars were put on Dyno Dynamics rollers, one of the cars was tested on a set on rollers as stock and produced 260bhp, then went on these and produced along with 4 other stock cars, stock hoursepower. why do you think your engine/turbo will produce more then thousands of others???.
If you'd like to stop frothing at the mouth and use grammar and coherent sentence structure I might be able to answer you. At present it's like trying to decode the forum drunk. Is hoursepower(sic) measured over a period of time as well? By the way, one question mark works just as well as three unless your keyboard is doing a 'type two get one free deal', in which case, well done.
All im saying is you are not gonna get 40 bhp increase from a full milltek!!!.15-20 at the most.
Hmmm, try reading my post. At no point do I claim 40bhp from a full Milltek. Let's make it simple for you:
.1. Car tests at a 'stock' 240bhp (using this as the base figure as the further measures are on the same RR)
.2. Addition of Milltek takes it to a smidge over 260bhp (approx 21bhp, equating to 8.7% increase)
.3. Addition of Forge DV takes it to 270bhp which I stated that I found puzzling.
So, a 30 bhp addition, equating to an increase on the base measure of 12.5%, 3.8% of which I'm not stating is due to the exhaust and that I'm questioning myself.
Apart from the words, well done, an excellent post. There may be a career for you working for the Daily Mail, they seem to take the same approach to factual accuracy as you.
Have a look at these to see where im coming from and see why this has been covered over and over and over and over and over again......
Thank you for that condescending advice, I will do. Why don't you try reading my posts again and if there's any words you struggle with just post up. If the words are 'and' or 'it' I wouldn'd bother. You may end up looking even sillier.
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/GalleryGTI041008.htm.
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I trust I've addressed your issues above, even if I did struggle to understand some of the punctuation and spelling.
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