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Forge twintercooler
« on: May 23, 2010, 09:03:13 am »
Following the group buy with PDTuning, I was able to get my Forge twintercooler fitted yesterday as part of the annual service by the ever helpful guys at Streetwise Automotive in Bristol.

A clean bill of health was confirmed for my Ed30 (no cam follower issues to report).

Initial observations.
It's lighter than I thought and has allayed any concerns I had about additional front end weight.
Weld and general fabrication quality is excellent as expected from Forge.

Once fitted (Streetwise tell me there were no dramas) you have to look hard to even see it's there, it fills the gap behind the honeycomb section perfectly. I went for black hoses in keeping with the original equipment look.

We didn’t get a chance to do any pre/post logging yesterday but I’m not a revo fiddler so coupled with numerous exchanges I’ve had with REVO and members on here, we’ve stuck with my original settings (b8t5f6).

Yesterday was very warm in Bristol, air temps hit 28 degrees according to my car which inevitably meant that even on the drive to Streetwise, performance did not feel as punchy as on cooler days.
Granted I also had new plugs but with the twintercooler fitted, I was surprised how much puncher the car felt, more urgent throttle response. Despite a few choice back road hacks, there didn’t appear to be any blight on performance despite the warm conditions.

Granted this is purely subjective stuff but the peace of mind gained from knowing I’ve gotten rid of the Ed30’s achillies heel – the intercooler, coupled with the longevity and performance benefits it appears to provide makes this a winner for me.

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Re: Forge twintercooler
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2010, 10:49:36 am »
Hi, Glad you have got it fitted without any dramas, trimming the hoses and getting them to fit is a pain with these kits but if you take your time its a great bit of kit.

We did some logging when we fitted one last week, before the new IC we had an intake temp of 23 degrees cruising in 3rd at 25mph, a full throttle pull through 3rd saw the intake temps rise to 29 degrees and then after a 4th gear pull they hit 38 degrees.

With the twintercooler we saw just 21 degrees at cruise, 24 degrees at the end of 3rd gear and just 27 degrees at the end of 4th. That is a decrease of 11 degrees intake temps after just 2 pulls.

Dyno testing this type of product is tricky as you cant replicate real world temps, even with some huge fans, but as a direct comparison on the car we did test on the dyno (same settings in the map etc...) we saw 311bhp before and 323 after. Only difference was lower intake temps.

As a test we decided to turn off the fans and get the intake temps up to 40ish degrees and then dyno test, it dropped to 290bhp. So in summary the twintercooler dropped intake temps by around 11 degrees in the real world which equates to 12bhp on the dyno.

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Re: Forge twintercooler
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2010, 11:44:27 am »
interesting, was only expecting recovered power improvements so additional power gain is great.

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Re: Forge twintercooler
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2010, 08:21:42 pm »

trimming the hoses and getting them to fit is a pain with these kits but if you take your time its a great bit of kit.


....I was having a chat with Forge last week about their Twintercooler and the pipework. Their ideal would be to supply metal piping but there are too many variations of the 2.0T FSI platform to allow for a standard length and so this is why they supply their silicone hoses too long so they can be trimmed to fit. A bit like when Levi jeans used to do that.



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Re: Forge twintercooler
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2010, 09:29:27 pm »
^^^Such a nice arse  :love:

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Re: Forge twintercooler
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2010, 10:34:04 pm »



....I was having a chat with Forge last week about their Twintercooler and the pipework. Their ideal would be to supply metal piping but there are too many variations of the 2.0T FSI platform to allow for a standard length and so this is why they supply their silicone hoses too long so they can be trimmed to fit.

Not wanting to moan Robin, but the fit on the pipework you are eluding to is shocking and not even close to what it should be. I understand what you are saying about the need for a one pipe fits all but they should be specific for each application, How many different positions can the intercooler and turbo be in. on a Mk 5 :chicken:

It took me and Mat longer to fit that pipe, than it did to fit the S3 cooler and twinter together.  :fighting:

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Re: Forge twintercooler
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2010, 10:36:27 pm »

It took me and Mat longer to fit that pipe, than it did to fit the S3 cooler and twinter together.  :fighting:

Why didn't you call Joe to help out...    :evilgrin:  :laugh:
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Re: Forge twintercooler
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2010, 10:37:06 pm »

It took me and Mat longer to fit that pipe, than it did to fit the S3 cooler and twinter together.  :fighting:

Why didn't you call Joe to help out...    :evilgrin:  :laugh:

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Re: Forge twintercooler
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2010, 11:43:37 pm »
 :signLOL: i was trying really hard to read robins post but i coulnt because he posted pictures of women! i hope the work for forge other wise its irrelevant!

sounds very positve dave/ nathan, cant wait to get mine on there for the summer  :happy2:

 
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Re: Forge twintercooler
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2010, 12:51:37 am »


....I was having a chat with Forge last week about their Twintercooler and the pipework. Their ideal would be to supply metal piping but there are too many variations of the 2.0T FSI platform to allow for a standard length and so this is why they supply their silicone hoses too long so they can be trimmed to fit.

Not wanting to moan Robin, but the fit on the pipework you are eluding to is shocking and not even close to what it should be. I understand what you are saying about the need for a one pipe fits all but they should be specific for each application, How many different positions can the intercooler and turbo be in. on a Mk 5 :chicken:

It took me and Mat longer to fit that pipe, than it did to fit the S3 cooler and twinter together.  :fighting:

....I don't know what the pipework fit is like, TC - I was only repeating a phone conversation with Forge. I'll pass on your feedback when I next speak with them.  :happy2:


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Re: Forge twintercooler
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2010, 07:29:55 am »
it seems strange to me,

All of the forge twintercoolers for each mk5 platform are slighty different due to bracket positions etc.  They have bothered to change that but not the pipes!!, a bit of a half assed attempt there IMO.

Once you have designed an intercooler for a car, everything should be tailor made to fit it perfectly.  Not a 1 size fits all job.  especially when you are paying £500 for it as well.

I have seen numerous pics of kinked pipes on the twintintercoolers due to people not managing to cut the pipes correctly when finishing off the job from forge on their own car.  For me this is the only downside to the twintercooler

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Re: Forge twintercooler
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2010, 08:00:28 am »
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Email sent to Forge with link to this thread. I'm sure we'll have some answers to our customer feedback..


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Re: Forge twintercooler
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2010, 01:55:56 pm »

I agree that the pipes issue is a concern, but with a bit of patience they are simple to fit.

Someone mentioned kinked pipes - maybe its a fitting issue and not a problem with the pipes, if fitted properly they wont kink.

I have fitted 3 of these kits now and all have required trimming and a bit of time and effort to get a good fit, but all have been perfect once they were finished. Its not so much the shape and quality of the pipes, more down to the work put in during installation that gives a good end result.

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Re: Forge twintercooler
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2010, 02:00:19 pm »


The cost of the kit you would think the silicon hoses would be specific to that engine. 
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Re: Forge twintercooler
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2010, 02:34:32 pm »

It took me and Mat longer to fit that pipe, than it did to fit the S3 cooler and twinter together.  :fighting:

Why didn't you call Joe to help out...    :evilgrin:  :laugh:

those pipes are shocking  :fighting: :fighting: they just dont fit all  :fighting: they are miles out ie u need to chop so much off its  :scared: ie if you cut too much off your fooked big time  :fighting: :fighting: come on Forge you know you can make them better

Mods yes but way too many to stick in this little box