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Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« on: May 31, 2010, 08:35:04 pm »
Just completed my Brake upgrade today so thought Id add a few pics/info.

The Brakes are B5 RS4’s Some waffle on them by Audi:

Brakes were also developed jointly in house by Audi and Cosworth Technologies, not by Porsche as with its' predecessor, the RS2. It has 360 millimetres (14.2 in) diameter by 32 millimetres (1.26 in) thick radially vented and floating cast iron discs at the front, with double-piston floating brake calipers, giving the RS4 braking to match, needing less than 50 metres (160 ft) to come to a full stop from a speed of 110 kilometres per hour (68 mph).

My thinking is there are deemed suitable to stop a factory 400 bhp car that weighs approx the same as a tanker they shold be ok on a Golf!

My main considerations for brakes:

Fitment: Had to allow fitment of ET51 wheels without spacers
Cost: Sub £750
Weight: Not to be much heavier than the factory 312mm items.

To say that limited my options was a understatement! After a lot of google work and red herrings I found reference to these being the same caliper carrier spacing as a MK5. Personally prefer to do things a bit differently so purchased them hoping they would work. After contacting daveb it became apparent that with some custom parts it was a goer.

What's Required:

Audi Calipers, Carriers, Pads and Discs
Custom carrier spacers, disc spigots and mounting screws.
Optionally braided lines.

Having got the audi bits from Edition38 I ordered the bits required from Daveb. After a couple hours of graft all fitted as expected with zero drama :happy2:.

My experience of Mk5 brakes includes standard 288mm, 312mm and r32/s3 set ups. In addition I had 330mm Brembo 4 pots on my last MK5. So how do these compare? Having covered only 200 miles on normal roads I can say im very impressed. Excellent initial bite, good feel and undoubted stopping ability. Performance on par with the Brembo’s but the caliper pistons seem better matched to the master cylinder giving better feel, this is often overlooked with upgrades.

Weight: Discs 600grm heavier each but calipers/carriers 400grm lighter so little change.

Didn’t wish to splash out on expensive pads until I confirmed the fitment. I plan on upgrading from the £40 Mintex’s I currently have fitted  :sad1:. No doubt this with improve things further as well as going to vented rears.

Will update with further info and feedback once I have covered more miles and a trackday or two.

pics: (please ignore the poor fitting bumper, looking into intercooler options)





« Last Edit: May 31, 2010, 11:19:41 pm by ashley »

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Re: Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2010, 08:37:44 pm »
cool mate, do your ed30 wheels still fit

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Re: Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2010, 08:43:42 pm »
cool mate, do your ed30 wheels still fit

yep very happy. Thought you'd ask this. As the calipers are oem I dont think clearance has changed. Dont have the ed30 wheels to compare but mine are the same offset and theres loads of room. Would eat my hat if they dont. Anyones welcome to pop over and try one if needed.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2010, 08:48:33 pm by ashley »

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Re: Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2010, 08:48:34 pm »
its not the offset its the wheel style off the bbs ....I tried the brembo with a seat wheel which was the same size and offset ,they cleared the bbs needed big spacers....

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Re: Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2010, 09:01:32 pm »
its not the offset its the wheel style off the bbs ....I tried the brembo with a seat wheel which was the same size and offset ,they cleared the bbs needed big spacers....

Yep, even taking that into consideration I reckon they would fit. The proofs in the pudding though.

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Re: Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2010, 09:07:20 pm »
keep us posted to what you think on them bud

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Re: Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2010, 10:39:27 pm »
I dont think you will get them behind a Edition 30 wheel. maybe a monza, but they are definitely not the same size as the standard brakes as i need to run a 3 mil spacer with this kit and i never needed it with the standard set up.  :happy2:

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Re: Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2010, 10:53:47 pm »
i reckon the mods should move this to the product review sub forum

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Re: Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2010, 11:11:07 pm »
I dont think you will get them behind a Edition 30 wheel. maybe a monza, but they are definitely not the same size as the standard brakes as i need to run a 3 mil spacer with this kit and i never needed it with the standard set up.  :happy2:

Didnt realise you where running these TC. Happy for the thread to be moved.

Posted here as dont feel I have enough usage to comment fully on performance.

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Re: Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2010, 11:22:57 pm »
i thought TCs were from a b7rs4??

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Re: Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2010, 11:27:32 pm »
i thought TCs were from a b7rs4??

Nope. B5 RS4.  :happy2:

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Re: Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2010, 11:32:43 pm »
i should never have bailed out buying these from daveB.  pad a deposit and everything, I think i prefer the look of the solid disc to drilled, very oem,

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Having got the audi bits from Edition38 I ordered the bits required from Daveb.

Edition 38??

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Re: Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2010, 05:27:11 pm »
Without turning this into an ad got a couple of sets of these knocking about, one of which VRsy was buying, Sy I'd totally forgot about the deposit. if anybody wants these I'll send it you back sorry mate.

Ashley they look great, would love an update in a couple of weeks as to how they've bedded in. The R8 disc bulk order is a no go as the offset isn't big enough so wont be able to help with the disc. Expect to pay about £180 from a freindy TPS.

I'd be very surprised if these didn't fit behind a Pescy with no spacer

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Re: Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2010, 05:41:18 pm »
dont worry about the deposit dave mate. think of it as a down payment on a set of brakes in the future.  i will be doing them this time full stop.  hopefully you will still have a set of these available in july

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Re: Audi RS4 Twin Pot Big Brake upgrade
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2010, 10:45:10 pm »
i should never have bailed out buying these from daveB.  pad a deposit and everything, I think i prefer the look of the solid disc to drilled, very oem,

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Having got the audi bits from Edition38 I ordered the bits required from Daveb.

Edition 38??

Edition 38 , The largest Vw forum and show in the UK (has a classified section) :happy2:

Will do an update as Dave suggests once bedded in. Did a few miles today and still as happy as pig in poop. I also have a set of extra calipers and carriers if anyone is interested  :innocent:

« Last Edit: June 01, 2010, 11:08:00 pm by ashley »