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My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« on: June 19, 2010, 09:32:03 pm »
Well after two weeks yesterday it was time to give back the Golf R loaner I had been driving while Milltek created a new custom system on my Mk6 GTI.

Full review to follow on the new exhaust  :smiley:

So I thought it was about time I put my thought out there on how I feel the two cars compared. I tried to use the R as much as possible as I normally would (but without racking up starship mileage like normal) but still I did cover 980 miles over the 12 days.

The 12 days consisted of the normal Northamptonshire to West London daily commute as few times, a drive through central London, a cross country trip to the DC10 show and a couple of shopping runs to Milton Keynes with Mrs PG. So a pretty varied mix.

The R I had on loan was a three door CW DSG car with 19's Gloss Black wheels, standard cloth and alcantara seats and lots of toys like the RNS-510, Dynaudio, Rear camera etc.



The first drive was from Milltek's HQ down the M1 back home. From the start it all felt surprisingly familiar from the inside with the car still having the lovely new car smell (had only done 700 miles).

Out on the road it felt a bit lighter than expected and less "fridge" like. The extra weight for the haldex and older TFSI engine were noticeable but not by much. The power delivery was very smooth and linear as expected for a OEM/stock car. The exhaust note was much better than the likes of the ED30 and a slight DSG burp was noticeable on the gear changes. Like most stock systems it lack a bit of depth and character but still pretty good for an OEM system.

As the car was still under 1000 miles I drove it pretty carefully for the next couple of days and the trips to work were nice uneventful. I immediately found the fuel consumption was far far worse than I expected with the normal journey to work where my TSI based GTI would average 32-33mpg the R was getting 24  :surprised: I am sure this would improve over time when the engine loosens up, but still even my Stage 2+ ED30 would average 29-30mpg on the same journey. In the real world this meant I could only get 1 1/2 full trips to the office rather than the normal 2 and a bit with my GTI.

The first journey I got to fully explore the R came with a cross London trip from my Office in Brentford up to Kings Cross and then on to Milton Keynes. In town point to point the R was a very well mannered car and handled twists and turns of some London back streets very well, I did find the steering lock was a noticeable bit less than the GTI so three point turns and sharp low speed corning wasn't as easy. Also the ACC set in comfort really helped with the bumps and pot holes of the London streets.

By the time I reached MK rush hour had gone and I was able to “enthusiastically” enjoy the car on the fast roads up to and around the many many roundabouts Milton Keynes is blessed with. Here the car really came into it’s own, between the roundabouts the car pulled really well and reach the maximum allowable speeds very quickly. It was much smoother in the delivery than my GTI (as expected) and while the didn’t feel as quick the speedo suggested it there really wasn’t much in it. Coming into the roundabouts the R brakes (AKA R32, S3, Leon 345mm brakes) gave good feel and stopping power. Under heavier braking the car remained flat and balanced. Turn in and initial grip was noticeably better than the my GTI and inspired a lot more confidence, there was some body roll but nothing some good ARB’s wouldn’t solve. Powering out of the corner was also very well controlled and gave no dramas. The car took a lot more effort to get the TC or ESP (fun police) light flashing away and seamed to let you play a little bit more than the GTI before stepping in.

The rest of the time with the car just seamed to get better and better, it was a really easy car to drive quickly and handled long motorway crusing with ease. The interior was a nice place to be and the touches like the blue dial neddles (with the awesome start up sweep) and the part alcantara seats where great. Other things like the latest version LED screened RNS-510 just completed it as a package. When parking outside my work on the street in Knightsbridge one day last week inbetween an BMW B6 Alpina and a RR Drophead Coupe, I was surprised by how many people had a look at the Golf R rahter than the other two in the 30mins a spent in a near by coffee shop. (However I am not sure all the other colours would have had the same reaction).

So when I had to return it yesterday which one did I want to keep (excuse the rubbish iPhone pics): -





For me and what I want out of a car I would still choose the GTI, but the R would be a very very close second. I know if the ED35, or what ever it might be called, is the spec I beleive it will be (250bhp TFSI based front wheel drive with some Golf R bits) then where do I sign  :happy2:

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Re: My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2010, 09:40:07 pm »
Nice write up Steve! Whack stage 2+ on the r and itl be another beast again!!  :drool:


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Re: My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2010, 09:42:25 pm »
Yep the R is crying out for a remap, that one should be sorted for Inters with a remap and zorst so we will see how it goes down the 1/4 mile  :wink: :driver:

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Re: My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2010, 10:02:51 pm »
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Nice one, Steve - I've been looking forward to your impressions of the Golf R. :happy2:


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Re: My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2010, 10:55:01 pm »
have you not driven one yet RR

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Re: My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2010, 11:04:53 pm »
Nice work Mr P!  :congrats:

Whats the deal with the headlights? They look much darker than the ones on your GTI?

Front bumper crying out for a lower splitter!  :innocent:
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Re: My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2010, 12:45:38 am »
R headlights are darkened, well now sure if they are darker or just the interior bits are black (like the 25th Anni was).

Nice write up.  You do have a well sorted GTI to compare it mind you  :wink:

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Re: My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2010, 12:56:32 am »
have you not driven one yet RR

....Not yet. Looking forward to when.


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Re: My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2010, 12:57:37 am »
does the remapped TSI not feel abit more torquey than the R.  From what i gather Hp wouldnt be to different but if REVOs website is to be believed, the stage 1 TSI should be smashing out about 40Ibft more torque, also with it being lighter as well.

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Re: My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2010, 01:06:29 am »
Is the rear end identical to the GTI bar the central exhausts and the reflectors moved inside the black bit?


Thought it would be more noticeably different...


Good write up...by any chance have you driven an S3 and if so how does it compare to that?
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Re: My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2010, 08:57:36 am »
I thought you were going with a BF exhaust system Steve?  What Changed?

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Re: My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2010, 09:07:37 am »
Great write up bud  :congrats: Been looking forward to this and I look forward to reading about the Milly (and hearing it  :evilgrin:).
Be very interesting to see if you still came to the same conclusion if the R was Stage 2 as well  :wink: It does look  :drool: though IMO...

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Re: My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2010, 09:12:59 am »
I thought you were going with a BF exhaust system Steve?  What Changed?

I will be explaining a bit about that on the exhaust review  :happy2:

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Re: My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2010, 09:14:54 am »
Great write up bud  :congrats: Been looking forward to this and I look forward to reading about the Milly (and hearing it  :evilgrin:).
Be very interesting to see if you still came to the same conclusion if the R was Stage 2 as well  :wink: It does look  :drool: though IMO...

I have been offered another drive of the R next weekend when it's mapped so we will see  :happy2:

I think you will like the sound of the new Mk6 system, it's similar to the levels of the VWR system I had on my ED30 but with a better DSG burp  :evilgrin:

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Re: My Thoughts, Mk6 Golf R vs. Mk6 Golf Stage 2 GTI
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2010, 09:45:57 am »
Is the rear end identical to the GTI bar the central exhausts and the reflectors moved inside the black bit?


Thought it would be more noticeably different...


Good write up...by any chance have you driven an S3 and if so how does it compare to that?

the r has the LED lights as standard, steve has fitted them afterwards.  :happy2:


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