David Cameron has upset Pakistan.

[vRS Carl]

That's a shame

Or in the words of Cathy Tate

BOVVERED

I don't see what they are getting upset for. All he has done is say what everyone already knows. There are too many Terrorist organisations in the world that originate in Pakistan and the Pakistani government needs to do more to stop it

[Gene Hunt]

Totally agree. 

[tony_danza]

Not really fair going all the way to India to say it though, it only takes a spark to start them off killing each other again and Cameron will be off on a flight out of harm's way.

It needed saying, just not in those circumstances. 

[RedRobin]

Not really fair going all the way to India to say it though, it only takes a spark to start them off killing each other again and Cameron will be off on a flight out of harm's way.

It needed saying, just not in those circumstances. 

....He was in Pakistan primarily to encourage trading relationships etc but I think it's better to take the opportunity to say such things to their face.

Pakistan isn't going to welcome such comments wherever it's said but they need to face the reality. International politics are even more complicated than national politics. We never truly know what people are up to, regardless of the side they claim to be on.

[tony_danza]

He said it in India, not Pakistan - given their terrible history between the two countries, it was wrong to appear to be sh*t stirring for the sake of some arse kissing for trade deals.. there'll be some sort of fall out off the back of this, no doubt terrorists killing in India again and a retaliation. For what? A few planes.... tut tut!

He should have gone to Pakistan and discussed with them personally.

[Hedge]

I lived there in 1995 and it was considered fairly normal for the Indians to hop across the border and blow up a mosque or 2 and was considered fair game.

Oh how times have changed.  

[RedRobin]

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I made a mistake: I thought he'd gone to Pakistan rather than India. So, I agree about it being better face-to-face and not in the camp of their traditional enemy. Us public school boys never could tell the difference

[RobH]

What a suprise pakistan harbouring terrorist like the whole world didnt know

They train in pakistan which is funded by the saudi's and then armed by the iranians, they're all in it together. This is just my opinion though

[RedRobin]

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Rightly or wrongly (depending perhaps on simply where you were born), the cultures of the Saudi's, Iranians, Pakistani's, etc have far more in common with each other than they do with the 'Western World' which is essentially Christian and generally not well disposed towards other belief systems. So it shouldn't surprise anyone that people will favour those of the same beliefs.

Religion and politics, eh? They're both intertwined in a nasty mess.

[RobH]

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Rightly or wrongly (depending perhaps on simply where you were born), the cultures of the Saudi's, Iranians, Pakistani's, etc have far more in common with each other than they do with the 'Western World' which is essentially Christian and generally not well disposed towards other belief systems. So it shouldn't surprise anyone that people will favour those of the same beliefs.

Religion and politics, eh? They're both intertwined in a nasty mess.

Religion is the biggest problem in the world today and shockingly its all aload of BS , it came from a time when the world was flat and the fact we are still fighting over it and people dieing is a joke especially in the 21st century.

[RedRobin]

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Too right, Rob!

A friend of mine's daughter is getting married this weekend to a strict Catholic. Nothing wrong in that, but.. She has to actually sign a formal document promising to bring up their children in the Catholic faith. That makes me quite angry! I believe that individuals should be free to choose their religious beliefs.

[vRS Carl]

I don't have any problem with any religion,race,colour etc.

What i do have a problem with is people trying to "force" their beliefs on to other people. As you say Robin it should be the individual who chooses what faith etc to follow.

Like me i don't believe in god full stop (seen too much to ever believe that anything like that exists) but i don't try and force my belief on to others.

It is amazing how many crime & terrorist organisations are actually based in Pakistan though. It also amazes me that we can find them but the ISI cant  

[cmdrfire]

^^^

If you look at the Wikileaks documentation half of it alleges that ISI is supporting them anyway.

There's a lot of complexity going on in the Middle East/Subcontinent region, most of it unreported (Naxal/Maoist uprising in east India for instance) but the gist of the matter is:

1) No one likes anyone else very much at all;
2) There's a lot of "the enemy of my enemy is the enemy I will not kill... for now"
3) The US and/or the Russians have supplied arms and equipment to just about everyone in the region at some point or another.

All of the above adds up to the complete clusterf$ck that spans from the Persian Gulf to Burma (which was pretty much the entire area once defined as "British India").

[RedRobin]

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Pissing excellence as usual, Neo  - You have a great knowledge about such matters and also an objectivity which I agree with. Your post sums up an overview perfectly and educates me in the process.

The only other way to describe what's going on out there is:   Can.. Of.. Worms (or should it be poisonous serpents?).

It's a bit worrying that most of today's conflicts have a history involving Great Britain! (Israel vs Palestine being yet another example) It irritates me how generally the UK is very two-faced and wants everyone else in the world to think it's actions are so honourable. At least the Americans are upfront about what they do.. Mostly.