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Re: What's Fastest???
« Reply #60 on: August 30, 2010, 07:11:11 pm »
GTR weighs 1740kg

Pdk Turbo weighs 1610kg.

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Re: What's Fastest???
« Reply #61 on: August 30, 2010, 07:12:58 pm »
Ok have a look yourself then

Nissan GT-R



Porsche Turbo (Right hand column for PDK)



Porsche Turbo S



The Unladen Weight (EG) Whatever that means is 55Kg higher

Just found Max weights

Turbo (right Column PDK)



Turbo S



So even taking that into account the GTR is still some 250 KG heavier
« Last Edit: August 30, 2010, 07:17:36 pm by vRS Carl »

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Re: What's Fastest???
« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2010, 07:14:51 pm »
I wouldn't say the GTR was overated Pov. I think it's probably more to do with the fact that it weighs a good 400kgs more than the Porker, which wouldn't help..  :wink:
Weight difference between a turbo is roughly 200kgs

Its overrated because every bangs on about it being a bargain supercar and that its beaten porsche at their own game when in reality nissan arent exactly playing fair.

A stock GTR firstly puts out alot more power than they state, and 2ndly its cheap because nissan are subsiding the costs, but then are trying to recoup those costs through high servicing and parts costs. Then there is the whole issue of them being fragile and requiring TLC. The porka you can do 24hours at the ring and then drive it home without any special attention barring the consumables such as tyres, brakes and fluids.

The GTR is a bit like the Focus RS. The truth is slowely but surely coming out, they are both overrated.

Actually…..

GT-R Weighs 2200Kg
Turbo Weighs 1595Kg
Turbo S Weighs 1585Kg

So it's quite a big difference of 600KG :surprised: Those weights were taken direct from the manufacturers UK Websites before you say they are wrong.

You can hardly say they are over rated. Lets take the Ring times for both cars. 7Min 40secs for Porsche vs 7Min 29secs for GT-R. 11 Secs is a big margin in performance terms.

But the price is still the issue. Im not talking about buying used. We are talking purely NEW cars. Then the GTR would make more sense as apart from a straight line it can pretty much live with if not beat a hell of a lot of cars (look at the Top Gear track board). Bonus being you save the £60k which accounts for the High running costs.



You cant seriously think the GTR weighs 2.2 tonnes.

Sorry but the figures are wrong.

Also the porsche figures, are they with driver and fluids, or without?

The ring times should be taken with a pinch of salt. No independant tester has got anywhere near the times Nissan claim, and alot of people who were at the ring state the GTR was running track tyres.

Agree, there's no way the GTR is 2.2 tonnes. That site is a bit bizarre  :confused:
Evo Mag have them as..
Porsche - 1585kgs
GTR - 1740kgs
So only 155kgs difference, but enough to hamper the power/weight.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2010, 07:16:55 pm by Sunglasses Ron »

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Re: What's Fastest???
« Reply #63 on: August 30, 2010, 07:17:35 pm »
Ok have a look yourself then

Nissan GT-R



Porsche Turbo (Right hand column for PDK)



Porsche Turbo S



The Unladen Weight (EIN) Whatever that means is 30Kg higher

Car sites are often wrong, its a bit like how enthusiasts now more about the car than the car salesmen themselves.

I mean if we want to get really pedantic over this I could always lookup the figures that sport auto mag from germany actually weighed the cars at themselves

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Re: What's Fastest???
« Reply #64 on: August 30, 2010, 07:18:50 pm »
Edited to add Max Weights

Why would a manufacturer get the Weight wrong :confused: After all it affects the Emissions etc doesn't it????

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Re: What's Fastest???
« Reply #65 on: August 30, 2010, 07:21:48 pm »
Fook knows.

Ive got another argument to add to this debate.

Instead of spunking 60k on a GTR and have silly high running costs, buy a TTRS for 45k, revo stage 2 is and you have a car thats quicker than a stock GTR apparently.

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Re: What's Fastest???
« Reply #66 on: August 30, 2010, 07:22:44 pm »
Im sure i said in an earlier post about buying a Golf R and chucking £60k at it  :P :P :P

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Re: What's Fastest???
« Reply #67 on: August 30, 2010, 10:35:36 pm »
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Hmmm, I don't really care which is the fastest. Both the Porsche and the GTR are fecking fast!

But the Porsche has soooo much more style. As already said by Poverty(?), the GTR is equivalent to a Focus RS - Neither have class.


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