Cheers Danish. I thought the MK5 shell was pretty stiff to begin with. I know it doesn't benefit from an upper front strut brace due to the top suspension mounts being so close to the bulk head, and its increased rigidity but I thought what with uprated ARB's, rear strut braces and cages that people fit then these might be something worth investigating a bit further. What do you mean by "fully welded" though? I thought all modern cars would be fully welded by tack welds, or do you mean they're seam welded?