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Exhaust system warning light
« on: August 29, 2010, 10:30:33 pm »
Bit worried, the exhaust system light came on on the dash yesterday (05 GTI) just as I was about to take the car away for the weekend.  I had to drive the car about 40 miles round the M25 to a friend but decided to leave the car there and come away in another.  I turned the car on and off a couple more times when I got there and it didn't stay on again.  Now assuming it is ok when I collect the car tomorrow, do I need to be worried and get it checked or is it just an electrical gremlin? 

The handbook is quite definite that the car shouldn't be driven and taken asap to VW but I had no choice (and I didn't have a chance to read everything before leaving) - says likely to be to do with lambda sensor or cat.  The car seemed to run fine, maybe a little hesitant to acclerate but may as am and was being paranoid and not hammering it!

Is this a common light to come on even if there is nothing serious wrong?

Advice much appreciated?   :smiley:

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Re: Exhaust system warning light
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2010, 10:37:14 pm »
Its the most common light to come on,  it will probably come back on after a few minutes of driving.  :happy2:

You need to do some VCDS logging to identify what the fault is as it could be a number of things. 

Have a look at this list and see if any kind member lives near by, if there name is on this list it means they will be more than happy to help a fellow member out. And will do some logs with you.  :happy2:

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,120.0.html

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Re: Exhaust system warning light
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2010, 10:46:03 pm »
Thanks TopCat  :happy2:  Is it ok to drive the car?  I HATE warning lights - lots of Italian cars before so am used to them, but they do irritate lol

I'll look at the link and see what comes up. The car is under AA warranty so hope if there is anything will be covered

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Re: Exhaust system warning light
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2010, 10:57:27 pm »
The problem is a warning light can mean anything. You don't know until you get it looked at. Last weekend, my TCS, ABS and TP lights all came on. Quite a scary prospect. The car drove fine and a scan showed it was an ABS sensor.

Get it scanned and you'll have a better idea of what to do.

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Re: Exhaust system warning light
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2010, 11:05:45 pm »
Cheers  :happy2:

I might just take it to an AA warranty garage if it comes back on, get them to sort it

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Re: Exhaust system warning light
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2010, 06:26:54 pm »
Trouble is, an 'AA' garage is highly likely NOT to have the correct scan tool.  They will usually just give the generic EOBD/OBD-II codes, rather than the considerably more detailed manufacturer specific 'P' codes.
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Re: Exhaust system warning light
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2010, 09:02:34 pm »
So need to take to VW or see if one of the guys on here has the kit?

It does seem a bit rattly on idle, could that be a sign of something.  Drove 50 miles today and no light, hopefully just a glitch...possible?

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Re: Exhaust system warning light
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2010, 12:06:12 pm »
OK, lets go back to basics.  Warning lights (well those that indicate some abnormality, before some smart arass says high beam is blue!) are generally two colours - either red or yellow/amber.  ANY red warning light means you should stop the car and the engine at the earliest possibility, and not drive it again till you sort the issue.  Yellow or amber are generally warnings which will need attention, but you are still able to carry on driving.

Sooooo, you stated the exhaust warning light came on - these are usually amber, and are generally related to engine emissions.  Sometimes, if you stop the engine (remove the ign key), then restart it, the light will go away again.  If it doesn't return again, just carry on and take no further action.  However, if it repeatedly re-illuminates, then it needs to be checked out.  Now for some 'common sense' advice - if the light stays on, but there are no apparent adverse running conditions, then it would be reasonably safe to put off or defer any immediate workshop investigations.  However, if the engine is running in 'limp home mode' (basically running rough and sluggish, and not revving beyond 3,000-3,500 rpm), then you really need to get it looked at urgently, and ideal don't drive it.



Now, onto the best places for diagnosis of the problem.  Volkswagen UK will have you belive that their own franchised main dealers are the best place to go - and in theory, that would be correct - as they have the latest official diagnostic tools (VAS5051 or VAS5052), which can be linked directly to Volkswagen Germany HQ in Wolfsburg.  However, many 'so-called' main dealer technicians are thoroughly incompetent, and are unable to correctly diagnose anything more than the most basic tasks.

The other 'official' option for diagnosis is the Volkswagen branded breakdown service.  Now, going from bitter experience, these do NOT have the official tools, nor do they have other proffesional diagnostic tools to correctly diagnose the issue.  This was about 2-3 years ago, though, and they were changing contracts (the brakedown service was being provided by the RAC using VW logod vans, and they about to change to the AA) - so they may now have improved.

Then there are official Volkswagen Group 'independent specialists', ie garages who arn't part of the main dealer network, but who specialise in VW/Audi (and maybe other German marques).  These will either have the same official VAS5051/5052 as the main stealers (and pay a shed-load of money for the privelidge), or use something called VCDS (formerly known as VAG-COM).  These companies (providing they have a goo reputation) will usually be far more proficent in diagnostics, will be more 'honest' about the work required, and will generally be cheaper.  The downsides, they may not have some all-singing all-dancing coffee machine, and they usually wont have some posh totty in short black skirts to serve you said coffee!  :evilgrin:

Finally, there are peeps like me - found on various interweb forums - who also use VCDS, and will be able to carry out the identical diagnosis to main stealers - usually for free (or maybe a slab of beer / bottle of vino / box of chocs).  The choice is yours, but based on my experience, main stealers and Volkswagen Assisitance would be the LAST place I would go.

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Re: Exhaust system warning light
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2010, 03:56:08 pm »
On this subject, ive had up untill recently, lots of occasions where my Exhaust emmisions light kept appearing on average once a week.

Kept having the car plugged into vcds to check for errors, and more or less the same errors would show up.

Intake manifold control runner , implausible signal...... and the other was Bank 1 "lean" on the exhaust side of things.

Car was booked into JKM the week after but i took a gamble and payed for some Green cotton Air cleaner from JKM .

After deciding to "clean" my Green cotton element Air filter after not paying enough attention to it from install at near 20k miles ago  :ashamed:

The exhaust emmisions light hasnt re-appeared since, and i decided to get my car re-checked again on VCDS and it came back with ZERO errors  :jumpmove: . This was a month after cleaning the filter to see if the exhaust light would re-appear but it hasnt still a month on!!

Just abit of info if anyone has this warning light appear and havent replaced or serviced a race air filter, might just help with fixing this problem.

But as had been said, there are several possible's to this light appearing, maybe even a faulty lamba sensor or exhaust leak.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2010, 04:02:08 pm by Saint Steve »

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Re: Exhaust system warning light
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2010, 10:27:28 pm »
No sign of the light, car would appear to be fine and running ok.  Seemed happily lunatic in DSG sport mode today, revving maniacally as usual!

All rather confusing tbh (especially for a technically inept female like me).  I only mentioned taking to an AA warranty garage is because I have a warranty.  I don't really want to pay for VW (or independent, dk of one around here anyhow) diagnostics if there are no ill signs now.  Nor do I want to bother a kindly forum member...

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Re: Exhaust system warning light
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2010, 11:35:16 pm »
Nor do I want to bother a kindly forum member...
If we didn't want to be bothered, we wouldn't have added our names to a vcds list. Honestly, better to get it checked out and potentially save yourself from a more serious fault than ignore it.

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Re: Exhaust system warning light
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2010, 07:49:35 am »
Thanks.  Just thought, I don't have PM rights so how am I meant to contact the user (Mo is nearest to me looking at the list) ?

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Re: Exhaust system warning light
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2010, 07:52:39 am »
You need 10 posts.

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Re: Exhaust system warning light
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2010, 08:51:51 am »
Thanks...(handily this is number 10 :) )

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Re: Exhaust system warning light
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2010, 09:07:43 am »
^^^^
We're here to help, vickster. Not just VCDS stuff but any problems or questions. The forum is an informal community and many of us have met and become friends. What goes around, comes around and there's a pleasure in knowing you've helped someone.

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