Power from a stage 1 map? Possibly more than you would think!

[PDT]

You were saying that giac was one of the best stage 1 maps out there, have you had any k03 giac stage 2+type maps on the dyno yet, im really impressed with mine. Ive not had it on the rollers but my in gear times ect ect dont seem to be too far away from the K04 guys even though i should be making about 50bhp less.

very good figures from your map though, its good to see more custom maps being offered, i had had a custom map on my 1.8T from star a few years ago and it was noticably quicker than the oposition.

I have tested 2 Giac k03 stage 1 cars, but no other giac software. Both made good figures but I didn't get to test drivability or on road performance, but from the figures and dyno curves I am confident thatbthey would drive well. They certainly outperformed the revo stage 1 as far as dyno figures, but I would be the first to say that the numbers aren't the be all and end all of a cars performance.

[Saint Steve]

Hedges old Edition 30 on Jkm's accurate rollers ;) made 265bhp and 280ish lb ft from memory.

The biggest benefit of DD rollers is that they will all make very similar figures, I am yet to see an ed30 on stage 1 make less than 290hp and 300ft/lb  was it tested in standard form also? Any explanation for the low figures, would be good to know the REVO settings also.

As for the logs people have asked for, I am tuning another KO3 soon, are there any particular parameters you want me to measure other than the usuals? Will gladly post them up

Hedges old Edition 30 on Jkm's accurate rollers ;) made 265bhp and 280ish lb ft from memory.

265-280 bhp is realistic power.

My Stage 1 Ed30 made 284.6bhp and 305 lb ft, with same mods on JKM's aswell.

[KRL]

As for the logs people have asked for, I am tuning another KO3 soon, are there any particular parameters you want me to measure other than the usuals? Will gladly post them up

I posted the logs I would be interested to see already  

Dave have you got any VCDS logs of the cars?  I would particularly like to see boost, timing advance, timing pull, rail pressure, n75 cycle, maf g/s, and engine load.

[vRS Carl]

Hedges old Edition 30 on Jkm's accurate rollers ;) made 265bhp and 280ish lb ft from memory.

Hedge was on Tuna fish though and not Great White Shark

[Janner_Sy]

^^^^

I stand corrected. I just looked at my last graph from JKM and that goes to 6900 rpm

i just looked at alot of stage 2 and 2+ k03 grahs and they are all making a plateau of good power upto 6900rpm.  the torque is falling away heavily though

[Hedge]

Hedges old Edition 30 on Jkm's accurate rollers ;) made 265bhp and 280ish lb ft from memory.

On a standard exhaust or catback at best. With a downpipe it was much better.  

This was with Superchips though not Revo.

[PDT]

Overtfsi do you have a copy of the Al2 file you could share? Or a .bin file of the 8k rpm file?

[Janner_Sy]

Hedges old Edition 30 on Jkm's accurate rollers ;) made 265bhp and 280ish lb ft from memory.

The biggest benefit of DD rollers is that they will all make very similar figures, I am yet to see an ed30 on stage 1 make less than 290hp and 300ft/lb  was it tested in standard form also? Any explanation for the low figures, would be good to know the REVO settings also.

As for the logs people have asked for, I am tuning another KO3 soon, are there any particular parameters you want me to measure other than the usuals? Will gladly post them up

as for running these cars at 8000rpm, they might well make power, but can the valve train handle that. i thought JC had to uprate his valvetrain to cope on his previous BT setup

but we can all say that we are yet to see a car make you stage 1 figures on a Dyno Dynamics roller anywhere else.  same goes for the stage 2+ k04 on your car.  they were also much higher than the usual DD results.

im keen to see logs, dave im not saying you would, however logs can be easily doctored, so they can only be a guide.

[Janner_Sy]

come on then overTFSI, who are you then?  you know far more than the average guy.

[PDT]

but we can all say that we are yet to see a car make you stage 1 figures on a Dyno Dynamics roller anywhere else.  same goes for the stage 2+ k04 on your car.  they were also much higher than the usual DD

We went through a full calibration and setup with dynodynamics recently as the dyno had thrown up a few odd results, so it is fully calibrated and checked and proven to be accurate. Also when stock cars are tested the figures are realistic. My own ed30 on stage 2+ does (well did) make high figures but that was down to running lots of ign timing on the dyno, it has now been pulled back by quite a way as it suffered occasional limp mode due to high timing pull due to the aggressive map. Dropping from timing 8 to 5.

[dajonic]

but we can all say that we are yet to see a car make you stage 1 figures on a Dyno Dynamics roller anywhere else.  same goes for the stage 2+ k04 on your car.  they were also much higher than the usual DD results.

Well I'm guinea pig number 2 and I'm heading up to Tyne and wear on Thursday, and we'll see if the results can be verified as I'd already booked in to JKM with the group RR on October 16th.

[PDT]

come on then overTFSI, who are you then?  you know far more than the average guy.

I have a good idea who the mystery man is thanks for the al2 file

[ScrupesGTI]

Cant believe all this hype about a poxy little golf running 262 bhp??

If anyone needs to see the proof of the pudding i'm sure i could arrange another trip up to PDT for a rerun and have it recorded for all to see on youtube etc?

Well i've done over 500 miles since the re-map and other than an unusually high cold start idle, it's been flawless, pulls like a train right through the box, never misses a beat and is still good on juice with it returning 29MPG ave, and thats with one hell of a heavy foot

Cheers again Dave!  best £300 i ever spent

[Janner_Sy]

independant dyno dynamics roller s are whats required lol

[Sunglasses Ron]

Hedges old Edition 30 on Jkm's accurate rollers ;) made 265bhp and 280ish lb ft from memory.

The biggest benefit of DD rollers is that they will all make very similar figures, I am yet to see an ed30 on stage 1 make less than 290hp and 300ft/lb  was it tested in standard form also? Any explanation for the low figures, would be good to know the REVO settings also.

As for the logs people have asked for, I am tuning another KO3 soon, are there any particular parameters you want me to measure other than the usuals? Will gladly post them up

as for running these cars at 8000rpm, they might well make power, but can the valve train handle that. i thought JC had to uprate his valvetrain to cope on his previous BT setup

but we can all say that we are yet to see a car make you stage 1 figures on a Dyno Dynamics roller anywhere else.  same goes for the stage 2+ k04 on your car.  they were also much higher than the usual DD results.

Not entirely true mate. Gaz's S3 made 365bhp-ish on DD rollers at the Halifax RR meet..   JKM's rollers are the only DD rollers that are notoriously mean for bhp hunters. Whether they are accurate and everyone else's are out or vise versa, who knows?