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Offline chungster

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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #60 on: October 22, 2010, 07:39:59 pm »
if you had done so many problem free miles on APR S/W, why did you want to jump ship then?

if its problem free, you dont need to visit a tuner for anything.

so you're reason for jumping ship is a bit pants in all honesty.


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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #61 on: October 22, 2010, 07:48:11 pm »
Haha sorry mate if my reason seems pants to you but work this one out.... what if I was to get a problem with the APR map, or what if my dealer wiped my map off when my car went in for warranty work...theres not a chance im driving all the way down to JKM to get APR flashed back on!

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It's all making sense to me mate sorry if you can't understand my reasoning  :wink:

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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #62 on: October 22, 2010, 08:15:59 pm »
UKDub's car made what I'd call 'the right kind of figures'. I don't want to comment on his APR reading, I don't see it can ever be accepted as fair given the circumstances, even though I suspect it was.

Here's my stage2 REVO graph from when Awesome was still an APR dealer. Save for a bit less torque because I was running a decat, it is pretty much the same. Timing pull you'd expect as the fan doesn't replicate real airflow, so intake temps would have been creeping I'd expect.

I don't see an aggressive spike on my graph, it didn't drive like that either. It was set up by Mike at Votex in Congleton, an unassuming and 'not on the scene' dealer... but the only place I trust. My car ran faultless for years, my 2 previous cars running REVO, totalling around 140k miles between all 3 likewise.

A common misconception is the throttle mapping giving the illusion of aggression, if you prefer a linear map, then simply ask for one, they will gladly oblige. I found it much more useful for track work.


This is a stage 2 APR K03 car, again from when Awesome were APR dealers. I know the owner, it was pretty much identical to mine in terms of upgrades.

Big spike, significantly more torque than both mine and UKDubs - All this talk of "we map to protect...." hmmm...


« Last Edit: October 22, 2010, 08:39:42 pm by tony_danza »
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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #63 on: October 22, 2010, 08:23:12 pm »
Haha sorry mate if my reason seems pants to you but work this one out.... what if I was to get a problem with the APR map, or what if my dealer wiped my map off when my car went in for warranty work...theres not a chance im driving all the way down to JKM to get APR flashed back on!

Awesome 45 minutes away - great set of lads get on well with them all

JKM - 4hr 30 minutes away - don't know them from adam

It's all making sense to me mate sorry if you can't understand my reasoning  :wink:

My thoughts as well Ben.  Although I must admit, being an APR customer for the last 7 years I was more than a little curious to how the Revo software would be like on my car.  So when Awesome/Revo offered a free change, I thought why not.  :happy2:

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I have my APR stage 2 print out somewhere (done in 2008), so like Mr Danza, I will post both graphs up later for comparison.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2010, 08:29:43 pm by ukdub »
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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #64 on: October 22, 2010, 08:33:33 pm »
I can't blame anyone for jumping ship from APR. I had a map from APR at stage 1, but it simply didn't make the same power as the other tuners out there, as  a result I bailed out to Custom Code after just a few months, then finally to Revo. :smiley:
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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #65 on: October 22, 2010, 08:35:29 pm »
I fear this whole thread will be pointless.

APR will argue their corner, REVO will argue theirs. What is important is you get what you pay for and you're happy with it, whoever you use.

I'm wary of this thread turning into a ridiculous Vortex style handbag-fest. So, a word of caution to all tuners - we're not Yanks, we don't buy into that farce and we see through BS quickly by our own very British nature. Consider your heads banged together and warned.
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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #66 on: October 22, 2010, 08:39:36 pm »
I fear this whole thread will be pointless.

APR will argue their corner, REVO will argue theirs. What is important is you get what you pay for and you're happy with it, whoever you use.

I'm wary of this thread turning into a ridiculous Vortex style handbag-fest. So, a word of caution to all tuners - we're not Yanks, we don't buy into that farce and we see through BS quickly by our own very British nature. Consider your heads banged together and warned.

 :signLOL:  You've got a point.  Also, Hurdy had to lower the tone even further be mentioning CC  :grin:
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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #67 on: October 22, 2010, 08:42:01 pm »
Don't start me on that crap!
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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #68 on: October 22, 2010, 08:44:30 pm »
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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #69 on: October 22, 2010, 08:45:41 pm »
 :evilgrin:

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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #70 on: October 22, 2010, 09:04:52 pm »
Pah, Superchips is where it's at, Hurdy.  :signLOL:
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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #71 on: October 22, 2010, 09:25:43 pm »
^^^^
Hmm, the idea of custard with chips doesn't appeal  :evilgrin:

As Stu posted, fair do's to Arin@APR for his calm tone of post though  :drinking:


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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #72 on: October 22, 2010, 10:33:34 pm »
^^^^
Hmm, the idea of custard with chips doesn't appeal  :evilgrin:

As Stu posted, fair do's to Arin@APR for his calm tone of post though  :drinking:

Your right Robin, that is APR's thing.  APR (They always have) remind me of Bose.  A good product but even better marketing.  Still not saying Revo are better than APR though, or vica versa.
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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #73 on: October 22, 2010, 11:31:09 pm »
Has an air of messy divorce about it and then flaunting your new bow

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Re: The big switch over. APR to REVO
« Reply #74 on: October 22, 2010, 11:55:08 pm »
Has an air of messy divorce about it and then flaunting your new bow

 :signLOL:  Like I said, I havn't a problem with APR software or they hardware.  As for the Bose comment I have thought that for years.  Ultimately, I switched to Revo because of the possible issues that BenR stated in his earlier post, plus I was curious about having something for nothing.  Just because my car made more power and at the moment feels nicer to drive doesn't mean I have a better or safer map.  Like Arin said, they and other software providers could easily make more power but not necessarily safer power.  Only time will tell.  I am now at 100k and had APR software installed at 18k.  If the turbo gives up tomorrow, even if I was still running APR, I wouldn't blame them as over 80k with more boost than VAG recommend is good in my book.  If Awesome was still an APR dealer, I would still be APR. Simple. Divorce, no. Something free for my hobby, yes.  :smiley: :happy2:
« Last Edit: October 22, 2010, 11:56:41 pm by ukdub »
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