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Offline rex

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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #135 on: January 31, 2011, 05:00:06 pm »
Hi there!
You have a great, great looking car. Your car is very close to what I want my car to be. There are a lot of great mods but, for me, the seats, seat belts and roll cage are truly awesome!

Since I am looking for a similar setup (not as radical), I have some questions, and I would really appreciate it if you have the time to answer them:
1. I see that you do not have a complete rollcage (you only have one in the back). Is this approved by FIA (is VWRacing a competition aproved by FIA?).
2. Is your car road legal?
3. My teacher (pilot) from a Rally Academy I attended some time ago told me that roll cages are illegal in France and Italy (for example) for road use. He told me that the fines are really big and it can even cost you the car. Do you know anything about this?
4. Could you please tell my what is the weight distribution in your car (if this is not a secret).

Have a great day and keep up the good you, you are an inspiration to me (I would say "to us all" but I can't speak on everybody's behalf).
Cheers!
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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #136 on: January 31, 2011, 06:31:31 pm »
Quote from: rex on January 31, 2011, 05:00:06 pm

3. My teacher (pilot) from a Rally Academy I attended some time ago told me that roll cages are illegal in France and Italy (for example) for road use. He told me that the fines are really big and it can even cost you the car. Do you know anything about this?


....Aha! That explains why those cars with roll cages I drove back with from Nurburgring were all going like a bat out of hell through France!

Most folks I know don't like to drive a roll-caged car on the road without a helmet because banging your brains on a cage ain't nice. Trouble is that if you wear a helmet in an enclosed car on the road everyone thinks you're a dick and the Police might think you're road racing: "Who do you think you are then, sonny... Michael Schumacher Sunglasses Ron? [snigger snigger]"
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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #137 on: January 31, 2011, 06:37:50 pm »
Yes you are correct . Helmet is mandatory for cars with roll cages for the reason you said  :happy2:. BUT, for NeilM, since he only has a roll cage in the back it is not mandatory. I would not like to wear a helmet every time and that is why I consider having one only in the back.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2011, 06:39:21 pm by rex »
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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #138 on: January 31, 2011, 06:44:02 pm »
^^^^
Ah, you mean a half-cage (in the back). I hadn't realised Neil's was a half-cage - I better check his earlier pics.

I seriously looked into a roll-cage for mine. I wanted it ideally to be removable. But even a half-cage would seriously hack into a road car's interior trim and take serious time and effort to take in and out. I was advised that unless racing, for trackday events the Mk5 Golf's structural strength was such that a half-cage would be fine in most, not all, cases.
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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #139 on: January 31, 2011, 06:51:13 pm »
Yup, I agree. The first time I went to Nurburgring some of my friends rented a GTI from "Rent a race car". This GTI also had half cage and the interior trim was not so badly affected. When I go next to Nurburgring (may 2011) I will ask Teo (the owner) for instructions. I am only concerned about the French or Italians taking my car because of the roll cage :D.
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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #140 on: January 31, 2011, 06:57:51 pm »
Quote from: rex on January 31, 2011, 06:51:13 pm

I am only concerned about the French or Italians taking my car because of the roll cage :D.


....The Italians will only take your car because they want to play with it  :evilgrin:. The French will take it because you're English. Even the Belgian Police don't like the French cops!  :laugh:

I don't know, I've seen plenty of caged cars driving through northern France to and from The 'Ring.
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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #141 on: January 31, 2011, 07:03:47 pm »
im sure thats for cars that are registered in france mate, there was a point not too long ago when i think an induction kit was illegal. as RR says seen plenty heading for ring from calais with a cage :happy2:
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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #142 on: January 31, 2011, 07:34:33 pm »
how can you hit your head on the cage if your strapped into the car? or is it if your getting out?
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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #143 on: January 31, 2011, 08:30:45 pm »
Sorry for the OFFTOPIC. Well, I drove 2 rally prepared cars with roll cages. The head room was not to great and when getting in and out of the car, I had to pay attention. Second, because the head room was small it was likely to hit the roll cage with the helmet if not properly fasten or if the roll cage would bend. The guy who was using one of the cars in our national rally (Romania), put a lot of rubber on the roll cage just above his head (for me this is a indicator that he hit the roll cage sometime before  :smiley: ).
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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #144 on: January 31, 2011, 08:56:24 pm »
Don't worry - The French and Italians can only impose the law on cars registered in their country as far as cages and mods are concerned. If you are from say Romania and you have a cage, they can do nothing about it if it is legal in your country.

Wiechers do 1/2 cages and they are TUV approved, a 1/2 cage won't be FIA, those rules only cover full/6-point+ cages as far as I know but it can/should be built to FIA spec and by someone certified to do so. I'm fairly sure Wiechers 1/2 cages are what is in the Golf/Scirroco rental cars at the Ring too.
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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #145 on: February 01, 2011, 07:43:33 pm »
Hi Rex, Tony's right about the cage, I'd have to extend mine to the front for full FIA, which would cut into the dash and arm rest in the front door, you would probably strip the doors & you can also do away with the crash bar inside the door if you went that far.

The 4 point Schorth Harnesses can be extended to 6 point.
 
I would also have to change my seats as they are tilt and slide, I have always wanted to keep it road legal and drive too (and hopefully from  :happy2:) track days and don't intend to race it although my mates only give me a year!!

I can see how it would be a bit dangerous to have a full cage on the road without a helmet but I've not heard of anyone in the UK getting done for it. 

The weight distribution is:




Good luck with you car Rex, hope to see you some time

Neil
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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #146 on: February 01, 2011, 07:54:01 pm »
is that with a full tank of fuel Neil?
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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #147 on: February 01, 2011, 08:18:28 pm »
Quote from: MAT ED30 on February 01, 2011, 07:54:01 pm
is that with a full tank of fuel Neil?

About half a tank I think Mat.
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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #148 on: February 01, 2011, 08:42:34 pm »
mine with full tank was

front    426.5            453.5

rear     276.5            271.5

               total : 1428.0  

and thats a five door on fully stock. thought yours might have been less
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Re: Eddy goes on a diet (update)
« Reply #149 on: February 01, 2011, 08:53:54 pm »
Quote from: NeilM on February 01, 2011, 07:43:33 pm
Hi Rex, Tony's right about the cage, I'd have to extend mine to the front for full FIA, which would cut into the dash and arm rest in the front door, you would probably strip the doors & you can also do away with the crash bar inside the door if you went that far.

The 4 point Schorth Harnesses can be extended to 6 point.
 
I would also have to change my seats as they are tilt and slide, I have always wanted to keep it road legal and drive too (and hopefully from  :happy2:) track days and don't intend to race it although my mates only give me a year!!

I can see how it would be a bit dangerous to have a full cage on the road without a helmet but I've not heard of anyone in the UK getting done for it. 

The weight distribution is:




Good luck with you car Rex, hope to see you some time

Neil

 :smiley: Everything you said makes sense. That is my opinion also. I don't want my car to be approved by FIA I just want to be better for track days, just like yours.
About the seats, why didn't you go with Recaro Pole Position instead of Sporter CS? You could save about 4kg per seat...

And about the weight... I am amassed... By my calculations you saved approximately 60kg at the back (I have 278 for back left and 263 for back right as stock with spare wheel and full fuel tank + some accessories ). Since I do not think our cars differ in the back, that is a great weight lose.  :happy2:
But you still have a noise heavy car (like us all). Did you do any stripping in the front (except the carbon hood which might save you 10kg)?
Because of this weight distribution does your car understeer a lot? Or how did you make it more neutral? I would suspect your car understeers and you get only lift of oversteer. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Is 1392kg the weight with the driver?

Sorry for the long list of questions  :fighting2:.
I would really like to meet you guys some time. Maybe at a track event. I've seen some awesome cars here and I would really like to see them live. Your car is a great contender for the first place  :smiley:
Vlad
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