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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2009, 12:24:24 pm »
i doubt they made a new block for the RS so it must be borrowed from another model (poss Volvo), any ideas where its from

The old T5 engine / block from the 850R was super strong as far as I know, could be using that..
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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2009, 02:37:53 pm »
It's definitely an upgraded component, cast from stronger stuff. Like the difference between the S3 head and the GTi one.

As jonny says, it's possible its from a higher spec volvo, the S60R maybe. Although, if it's just being cast from stronger stuff, there'd be no need to retool a new mould, so the cost implications wouldn't be too high for a short run of stronger blocks. Or it might be stronger liners.

The old RS Focus had bespoke components and was built in much smaller volumes - there's no reason why the RS wouldn't have bespoke beefed up components? I had some info about the new engine somewhere, I will try and find the link when I get home.

Should be a fun car though, I'm looking forward to trying one out.

EDIT:

Data from a man on the inside. Ford has updated their parts catalogue... (the numbers don't correspond to the actual turbos, that's just the designation of the engine)

Part no.s for engine blocks:

220ps turbo finis 1388501

300ps turbo finis 1757123

One source says he's sure it's different material as on the S60R, the other thinks it's fundamentally the same block but with uprated liners.

Based on part numbers, these appear to be the other major differences, some obviously go without saying!

Inlet Camshaft
Con-rods and pistons
Main and big end bearings
Head gasket
Injectors
Turbo - still some debate over this as apparently some data suggests it the same one
Inter-cooler
Exhaust system
Fuel pump
Radiator

There is a lot that they do share though. Inlet is the same, exhaust cams, crank shaft, oil pump, water pump to name a few.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2009, 02:50:01 pm by animal »
Only 250.1bhp - but with that noise, who cares?

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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2009, 02:40:50 pm »
I pretty sure that Ford made a loss of around £6k on each of the Mk1 RS's though and im sure they wont want to repeat that with the Mk2..
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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2009, 02:56:19 pm »
A very valid point!
Only 250.1bhp - but with that noise, who cares?

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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2009, 12:53:21 pm »
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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2009, 01:18:45 pm »
somehow I dont think you are going to be disappointed...........

http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Ford-Focus-2.5-RS/238343/

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What happens when you select second gear and give it full beans in the RS frankly feels like some form of miracle, because even on a rough or wet surface the car takes off without drama, feeling for all the world as if it is four, not two-wheel drive. Considering how much raw thrust there is – Ford claims 0-60mph in 5.9sec, 0-100mph in 14sec dead and a top speed of 163mph – it’s quite weird to begin with. You even wonder whether they’re fibbing about how many wheels are being driven.

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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2009, 01:21:32 pm »
^^^^

Excellent find, James!

Very attractive car indeed and sounds awesome. It's the only Ford to have, imo.


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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2009, 01:39:48 pm »
^^^^

Excellent find, James!

Very attractive car indeed and sounds awesome. It's the only Ford to have, imo.

I can think of another.  :wink:


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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2009, 01:42:04 pm »
^^^^

Excellent find, James!

Very attractive car indeed and sounds awesome. It's the only Ford to have, imo.

Ahem....

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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2009, 01:46:40 pm »
^^^^
Ah yes! I overtook one in Austria not long ago : -



That other F-reg Ford defo NOT to my taste, T_D.


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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2009, 01:48:03 pm »
plato driving the focus on 5th gear tonight  :happy2:
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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2009, 02:28:41 pm »
oh my god, i want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, anyone fancy mine, makes ours look abit mundain i have to say.

Id have everything on that car, except they can keep its fuel consumption thankyou very much, and wheres the family mans choice??? 5 door offering??? :sick:
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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2009, 02:56:51 pm »
^^^^
Yes it looks a lot more 'hardcore' than the GTI/Ed30 but the Ford simply doesn't compete in being a 5-door all-rounder. Judging by your various comments in the forums, Phil, I can't see wifey agreeing to the RS but I think she'd be right regarding your family usage.


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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2009, 02:58:57 pm »
it looks nice but its not a classy as the golf

Mods yes but way too many to stick in this little box

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Re: Depreciation, here we come!!!
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2009, 03:15:57 pm »

it looks nice but its not a classy as the golf


....Absolutely so! The trouble is that use of the term "classy" is often misinterpreted as badge snobbery. But it need not have anything to do with snobbery at all - It just means that the 'classy' car looks more reserved and less in-yer-face. Social standing is a factor and we all initially judge by appearances - It's a part of our natural survival instincts (and helps our choice in which female to chase etc).

The new RS is doubtless a truly great performance car but no Ford is ever "classy". Ford GT40 or Ferrari? Which is classier?

The classiness hierarchy puts Audi above VW above Skoda above Ford, though the Ford RS might be above Skoda.



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