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Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« on: December 21, 2010, 10:14:28 pm »
Okay, so I was already out and about in the snow. Decided to head to a dealer to poke around at some cars. We talked through some figures but would appreciate some input from here.

Currently, ED30 is on finance. Will be paying off in full around August 2011 (though can do so earlier). Its three years are up at the beginning of January.

Value of new car = £34,000
Part exchange on ED30 = £13000*
Finance remaining of ED30 = £11000**
Deposit = £1000
Installments = £611*36 (£22000)
No balloon payment.
Total price paid = £36,000

*I know it's worth more than this but this is what the dealer offered and is what we're working with. The car could be sold for a much higher price.
** If paid off now, which is something I can quite conceivably do.

The figures are a little imprecise but enough for the above estimation. Paying £36000 for a £34000 car may be better than any loan I can obtain in terms of rates. I'm tempted to increase the deposit in order to reduce the payments (willing to go up to £8000, payments down to £400pcm). The deal includes free servicing for the three years too.

Just bouncing ideas around. Nothing's in confirmation, though they can green light it as soon as I say yes. The car will be ordered and won't arrive until next year some time and I can drive the ED30 until then.

What do you reckon? Please feel free to mention things I haven't considered.

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Re: Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2010, 10:21:37 pm »
Sounds a good deal. What is the new car?

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Re: Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 10:25:06 pm »
400 a month is crazy 611 is out of this world , if it was me id say i cant afford it sorry to sound negative but thats my opinion  :xmassmiley:

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Re: Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2010, 12:08:46 am »
so in simple terms, £600 a month + £14k deposit ?

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Re: Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2010, 08:52:49 am »
Difficult to say if your dreaming or not Stealth as we dont know how much you earn!  if for 400 or 600 pounds you wont be able to eat put fuel in it and insure the car then probably a pointless exercise but only you can really answer that question.  Now if you told us what you were buying then im sure we could make that price go up with optional extras  :evilgrin:

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Re: Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2010, 09:04:36 am »
Good interest rate for a 20K loan.

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Re: Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2010, 09:14:24 am »
My personal opinion only but another options is to :

sell your ED30 for full market value (sell privately)

Finance the difference to the new car by extending your mortgage and paying it off over 3 years. Mortgage rates are the very cheapest around and are the most officient way of borrowing right now.

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Re: Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2010, 10:53:25 am »
Sounds like a lot to spend but if its something you want, can afford and will keep long enough then why not.
If you're not going to keep it long enough you'll likely end up a lot worse off as you'll have no car but still have a debt for it most likely
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Re: Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2010, 11:08:24 am »
you only live once, if you could afford £600 a month why not.

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Re: Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2010, 11:35:45 am »
£600pcm isn't a problem - I have no mortgage and only frivolous expenditure. Just wanted an opinion on the finance calculations.

The sane part of me is telling me to keep my car, buy an extended warranty, pay off the finance and continue saving for a house deposit. The crazy part of me is telling me to buy the car. Even the dealers said if I pre-ordered, paid £500, then cancelled it, they would sell the car on their forecourt.

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Re: Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2010, 11:47:29 am »
Buy a house you can't afford and a car you can afford to throw away. The house will go up, the car will go down.
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Re: Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2010, 11:49:09 am »
Whats the car?  36k is golf R territory ist it?


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Re: Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2010, 12:02:16 pm »
If you've got the money now is a great time to buy property. That's where I'd be throwing £600 a month.

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Re: Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2010, 12:20:49 pm »
You're presuming of course that I stay with VW.

Anyway, yes the cash would be better spent on a house but the issue is deposits. Saving for a 25% deposit is a complete PITA and I'd rather spend the cash elsewhere. As it stands, the most sensible thing is a house, yet I did not buy an ED30 with my head!

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Re: Am I dreaming? [Finance Q]
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2010, 12:39:19 pm »
You can still get 90% LTV mortgages but it's obviously advantageous in terms of interest rates to get a lower LTV. We moved house recently and actually took out a personal loan so we could achieve more equity in the house and get a better interest rate on the mortgage. The repayment on the loan, plus the mortgage payment is cheaper than the higher LTV mortgage, plus we very quickly get more equity in the property.

So I'd borrow the money for the deposit.