370bhp from a Edition 30 Stage 2??

[jon-tfsi]

A particular K03 Stg2+ might be able to keep up with a particular K04 Stg1 on the road. But in my experience the average Stg2+ K03 would be no match for the average Stg1 K04. The difference in top end power is pretty significant.

[Janner_Sy]

A particular K03 Stg2+ might be able to keep up with a particular K04 Stg1 on the road. But in my experience the average Stg2+ K03 would be no match for the average Stg1 K04. The difference in top end power is pretty significant.

the difference in top end power!!!  The top end power is pretty much identical except the k03 makes it slightly earlier.  @ stage 1 k04 there is very very little difference in them at all.  stage 2 k04 and its bye bye, but not stage 1

Come on Sy, you can clearly see that the KO4 has 0.2 more bhp which will be huge on the road.. 
I'm guessing that's the best Stage 2+ Ko3 against one of the worst Stage 1 KO4's too?  I don't care what anyone says (including JKM) a Stage 1 KO4 (Revo) should be making at least 285-290bhp if set up right and on the right fuel..
But I wouldn't imagine there to be much difference on the road between the 2 TBH. Maybe the KO4 to be slightly quicker at the top end due to it making it's power at higher revs (which is where it's needed at high speeds)..

I agree ron.  Maybe slightly quicker at the very top end, but by then were talking well above 100mph. 

As you say that the k04 stage 1 should be making 280-290Hp.  having a trawl through their galleries they are pretty much all around the 270-280Hp region which is only a minimal increase over a stage 2+.  so on the road there would be very little difference, and when you counter in the k03 stage 2+ would have the midrange torque advantage due to the fuel pump.  Id say on a 1/4 the stage 1 k04 could just get the legs being able to make power that bit higher up the Rev band.  On a track id say the k03 2+ would have it.  Due to the midrange advantage.

[micky 32]

Sunglasses Ron, you mustn't be up to speed on yer laws of physics  . We all know the faster a car goes the weight multiplies. At 140 mph it will be hugely heavy. The M5 starts out nearly half a ton heavier than the Golf. At 140mph the gap will be even huger. It will need a lot more power than the Golf to maintain 140 mph.

 Now even if the M5 has 440bhp which is not optimistic increase from a N/A engine? I reckon it would still need at least 100bhp more to reel in the Golf at those speeds so i reckon 330-340 would be about right for the Golf.

[Hedge]

I'll just throw this little spanner in the works then. Stage 2 only K03 

[Hedge]

Sunglasses Ron, you mustn't be up to speed on yer laws of physics  . We all know the faster a car goes the weight multiplies.

Not sure on that Physics Law myself unless you are approaching the speed of light. 

Wind resistance increases with the square of the velocity but I didn't think that mass changes.

[NB07]

hedge, so how come steves car makes less than that on stage 2 K04??  

[Hedge]

hedge, so how come steves car makes less than that on stage 2 K04?? 

Dunno mate. He is running Superchips the same as my Ed30 did and they are more conservative than Revo.

[micky 32]

Sunglasses Ron, you mustn't be up to speed on yer laws of physics  . We all know the faster a car goes the weight multiplies.

Not sure on that Physics Law myself unless you are approaching the speed of light. 

Wind resistance increases with the square of the velocity but I didn't think that mass changes.

Yep the faster you move the more energy you put into something more mass accumulates

[Hedge]

Sunglasses Ron, you mustn't be up to speed on yer laws of physics  . We all know the faster a car goes the weight multiplies.

Not sure on that Physics Law myself unless you are approaching the speed of light. 

Wind resistance increases with the square of the velocity but I didn't think that mass changes.

Yep the faster you move the more energy you put into something more mass accumulates

I don't think it's a significant amount Micky unless, like I said, you are approaching the speed of light.

I have a headache now from reading this as it's been a while.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-energy_equivalence

[rich83]

100lb man traveling at 0.6 the speed of light weight 125lb.... at 'car speeds' its going to be minute!

http://www.1728.com/reltivty.htm

So a car with mass of  2900lb... will weigh 2901lb @100mph!


The above might well be complete codswallop.... my head aches already!

[jon-tfsi]

I'll just throw this little spanner in the works then. Stage 2 only K03 

Thats a very Healthy Stage 2+ motor 

[Hedge]

I'll just throw this little spanner in the works then. Stage 2 only K03 

Thats a very Healthy Stage 2+ motor 

Except its only stage 2. 

[chungster]

Runnng 297 on Stage 0!!

So there!!!! 

[Saint Steve]

hedge, so how come steves car makes less than that on stage 2 K04?? 

Mine was stage 1 and its best was 284.6bhp from memory.

Ive yet to find out what my does with stage 2, because of my map failure last time out, mine ran stock bhp at 233bhp

Another rolling road is being held 5th of feb at jkm which i will be attending

[Janner_Sy]

100lb man traveling at 0.6 the speed of light weight 125lb.... at 'car speeds' its going to be minute!

http://www.1728.com/reltivty.htm

So a car with mass of  2900lb... will weigh 2901lb @100mph!


The above might well be complete codswallop.... my head aches already!

i think what micky is meant to refer to is not the weight increasing.  I think what he was saying is that with a vehicle as heavy as the M5, it requires a lot of power to overcome the inertia.  the heavier an object the more inertia it will have acting against the rate of acceleration