370bhp from a Edition 30 Stage 2??

[stealthwolf]

^^^But is the VXR JKM-confirmed at 300bhp?

[Janner_Sy]

maybe the 300Hp VXR is abit ambitious?? 

edit..stealth has beaten me to it

[Janner_Sy]

So because JKM read lower figures then they must be right

When comparing againt other cars lets say mk2 FRS with around 400hp how can a stage 2+ car with a whopping 70hp less still keep up and the weight aint that much difference 

^^^ the above is assuming JKM are perfect in every way and the max is 330hp from a K04.

The numbers or lack of just dont add up unless of course, other tuners for differnt maker of car are wrong aswell and perhaps should go to jkm for there power claims before saying the new kit for there mk2 FRS is 400hp or 300hp for a VXR etc etc etc.

Believe me when i say the difference between a 300hp VXR and a jkm confirmed 330hp stage 2+ K04 is a fair bit more than just 30hp!

what about gear ratios, power bands, the shape of the curve, weight etc etc.  Plus alot of these cars very likely have micky mouse figures aimed at making the Chav nation choose them rather than another tuners.

[RobH]

Well it would seem that the stage 3 VXR is around 260-70hp max then, going by JKM's rollers!

So does this mean that every other tuner in britain of all car makers needs to go to JKM to get there output claims or there wrong because the southerners say so???

We're not just talking about chav brands either, BMW 135i from a stage 1 map are around 360hp (if not more) and a similar weight (havnt checked though) and similar in pace to a stage 2+ k04 if not a bit slower. Maybe there 330hp aswell then and a whopping 24hp gain from a map

[Top Cat]

It's only saint Steve who bangs on about JKM rollers being the gospel. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise it's all a lottery, you can get disparity with the same car, same roller's the very next day.

                       Honestly     

[Janner_Sy]

For instance a stage 2+ K03 is pretty much neigh on identical in performance to a stage 1 k04.  which would make sense as they are similar power, that is unless you believe your stage 1 is making 315hp+ as many do, if so then these little 2+ k03's must be about that as well.

Ok i submit.  your car is 390Hp.

anyway, i refer back to my previous post

I know the pic shows an IC, but its not mentioned in the description!

So 370 with S2+ ? Is that do-able? It sound A LOT!!

its dependant on dyno.  if you go to awesome @ the moment then you will see 360-370hp. if you go to AMD you'll get 390hp  if you go to JKm you'll get 330Hp.  Id average the lot and that s prob about rigfht, which is about 360hp

[rich83]

Wow... so what tuners should say really is this!

Stage 1... will make your car faster
Stage 2... will make your car VERY VERY fast!

No-one can argue with that

[Janner_Sy]

Wow... so what tuners should say really is this!

Stage 1... will make your car faster
Stage 2... will make your car VERY VERY fast!

No-one can argue with that

if they are going to quote figures i think there should be a Hp range, or an average reading and not the freakishly high reading that you sometime get. they should also be on independant dynos and the the of dyno used for the figures.  As we all know, they vary so much

[micky 32]

So because JKM read lower figures then they must be right

When comparing againt other cars lets say mk2 FRS with around 400hp how can a stage 2+ car with a whopping 70hp less still keep up and the weight aint that much difference  

^^^ the above is assuming JKM are perfect in every way and the max is 330hp from a K04.

When something seems to be too good to be true it usually is. That's why i would be more toward JKM's rollers to be honest. Secondly tuned Ko4's can't keep up with 400bhp cars, they can to a certain point. Sunglasses ron posted a vid of a  very heavy 400bhp M5 against a Ko4 car and the M5 started to walk away. The 2.0T is a very torquey engine so will give a good start off.

[Saint Steve]

It's only saint Steve who bangs on about JKM rollers being the gospel. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise it's all a lottery, you can get disparity with the same car, same roller's the very next day.

                       Honestly    

I laughed  

For instance a stage 2+ K03 is pretty much neigh on identical in performance to a stage 1 k04.  which would make sense as they are similar power, that is unless you believe your stage 1 is making 315hp+ as many do, if so then these little 2+ k03's must be about that as well.
Ok i submit.  your car is 390Hp.

anyway, i refer back to my previous post

I know the pic shows an IC, but its not mentioned in the description!

So 370 with S2+ ? Is that do-able? It sound A LOT!!

its dependant on dyno.  if you go to awesome @ the moment then you will see 360-370hp. if you go to AMD you'll get 390hp  if you go to JKm you'll get 330Hp.  Id average the lot and that s prob about rigfht, which is about 360hp

Spot on . Both these cars are the same on the road. Tells alot

[swf7y]

Great info guys  I have had a look through the Dyno thread Janner_Sy and it's mainly k04 powered cars on there.
From what you guys are saying, Revo's claim of 260bhp from a stage 1 map seems totally unrealistic. 

100% unrealistic.  240Hp is normal for stage 1, 260hp normal for stage 2

You can achieve 250+ from a stage1 with the right map   

This I don't understand. Surely a Revo Stage 1 is the same map wherever you decide to get it done 
I don't really know how dyno figures are generated but I reckon an average of 3 runs would probably give a more realistic figure. Maybe I'm completely wrong 

[Sunglasses Ron]

So because JKM read lower figures then they must be right

When comparing againt other cars lets say mk2 FRS with around 400hp how can a stage 2+ car with a whopping 70hp less still keep up and the weight aint that much difference  

^^^ the above is assuming JKM are perfect in every way and the max is 330hp from a K04.

When something seems to be too good to be true it usually is. That's why i would be more toward JKM's rollers to be honest. Secondly tuned Ko4's can't keep up with 400bhp cars, they can to a certain point. Sunglasses ron posted a vid of a  very heavy 400bhp M5 against a Ko4 car and the M5 started to walk away. The 2.0T is a very torquey engine so will give a good start off.

That M5 is around 440bhp with those mods and it only started to claw back the gap that the Ed30 had pulled at got level at around 140mph+. At that speed weight has little affect and it's purely down to power and displacement. Something the M5 has to it's advantage, with an extra 3000cc, 4 cyl and around 80-100bhp..
So to me this only confirms that that Ed30 had a lot more than just 330bhp..

Same car against a Lotus Carlton..  

[NB07]

For instance a stage 2+ K03 is pretty much neigh on identical in performance to a stage 1 k04.  which would make sense as they are similar power, that is unless you believe your stage 1 is making 315hp+ as many do, if so then these little 2+ k03's must be about that as well.
Ok i submit.  your car is 390Hp.

anyway, i refer back to my previous post

I know the pic shows an IC, but its not mentioned in the description!

So 370 with S2+ ? Is that do-able? It sound A LOT!!

its dependant on dyno.  if you go to awesome @ the moment then you will see 360-370hp. if you go to AMD you'll get 390hp  if you go to JKm you'll get 330Hp.  Id average the lot and that s prob about rigfht, which is about 360hp

Spot on . Both these cars are the same on the road. Tells alot

dont think so when robin made 245 at stage 2 and wigit and i made 300 on stage 1.  

i have contacted charlie to find out if we can use his rollers again as everyone was happy that the results were accurate. id be interested to find out if all the mods on my car since going originally have made more than 30hp, i hope so! but kind of doubt it after neil only made that with decat and all the trimmings.  

have put a thread in the meets section to get numbers
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,23028.0.html  

[Janner_Sy]

dont think so when robin made 245 at stage 2 and wigit and i made 300 on stage 1.  

i have contacted charlie to find out if we can use his rollers again as everyone was happy that the results were accurate. id be interested to find out if all the mods on my car since going originally have made more than 30hp, i hope so! but kind of doubt it after neil only made that with decat and all the trimmings.  

have put a thread in the meets section to get numbers
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,23028.0.html  

Robins was the lowest powered stage 2 cars ive ever seen, but thats a result of him running very conservative settings.  He actually running 260hp now.

However that comparison doesnt work anyway as i want on about a stage 2+ k03 car, i was on about a stage 2+ car which are in the region of 270-280hp. 

This is a stage 2+ k03(shark performance) on JKMs


This is a stage 1 K04 on JKMs rollers (revo stage 1)


very similar aren't they.  Soooo if the k04 can make >315hp @ stage 1 then so can the stage 2+ k03, which it doesn't because its not possible.  Also ignoring figures i assure you from personal experiendce that the k03 stage 2+ has no issues staying with a stage 1 k04 on the road. which backs all this up

[Sunglasses Ron]

Come on Sy, you can clearly see that the KO4 has 0.2 more bhp which will be huge on the road.. 
I'm guessing that's the best Stage 2+ Ko3 against one of the worst Stage 1 KO4's too?  I don't care what anyone says (including JKM) a Stage 1 KO4 (Revo) should be making at least 285-290bhp if set up right and on the right fuel..
But I wouldn't imagine there to be much difference on the road between the 2 TBH. Maybe the KO4 to be slightly quicker at the top end due to it making it's power at higher revs (which is where it's needed at high speeds)..