Revo stock isnt stock????????????

[vRS Carl]

Just so that people are aware there are 2 versions of stock mode.

1. Sps switch stock, just lowers the boost and timing settings to get close to stock power
2. Full stock mode, only available from a Revo dealer and flashes a full factory original file to the Ecu. This file will be an identical file to the one that the car left the factory with, and in most cases its fully up to date with the latest factory updates.
 

As i have said that isn't always the case.

As a tuner you are always stuck between a rock and a hard place, do you tune for low power figures just to be safe but miles behind the competition when it comes to real power gains or tune for maximum reliable gains and be accused of pushing things too hard?

Agree not everyone is going to be happy. But tuning for maximum power gains isn't the be all and end all. I want a safe progressive map that gives me more power/torque but not necessarily the highest figures. A car with less power & torque can be a hell of a lot quicker if it is able to put all that power down and not piss it away with wheelspin.

[vRSAlex]

Ive had a low milage 10 plate s3 that had the same fault in revo stock or revo performance mode, but not when flashed to the stock file.

If you look at the fuel adaption on block 032 you will see its miles out.  002 or 003 shows the real time fuel adaptions and you can see on idle the adjustment is massive, with it trying to lean the car out.

From what revo have told me, the idle parts of the revo map are the same as the stock map.

[rex]

Hi guys,
I have REVO stage 1 with RSP on my 1.4 TFSI 2008 Golf 5. I had the first remap in Romania, in the first week Revo released the software. There are some points I want to make:

1. Don't blame the REVO software unless you are sure that's the cause. I had the remap and a few weeks after, I got an error "Boost pressure regulation - control range not reached" (the error itself is not important). I thought the software was to blame and got in touch with the REVO dealer that installed the software. He then asked REVO for solutions. REVO advised me to change the DiverterValve (same as in 2.0 TFSI) since I had the first version of DV and another valve (N75 specific to 1.4 TFSI/TSI). After I changed these I still got the error. Than as more people were buying 1.4 TFSI engines I saw that this error was common to stock (completely stock) and remaped cars (no matter the name of the tuner). It turned out to be a SOFTWARE problem, one the VW fixed with a later factory update. REVO than updated its software based on the new release and the problem is solved. I saw that the first thing that REVO does is search for solutions to the problems elsewhere (not in their software). In my case, that was partially right. This is a 2 blade knife... I like that they are confident in their product, but I hope if something comes up that is their fault (if it ever happens) they will act in a different manner.

2. Some cars make more bhp on the dyno than the manufacturer says is does. So it is not a surprise for me that a ED 30 make 240-250 bhp instead of 230.

3. heavyd why don't you go to REVO and ask for a TRUE STOCK setup. I mean tell them you want your REVO Stock software to be as close to stock as possible (as advertised, at least in my case).

Good luck!

[heavyd]

3. heavyd why don't you go to REVO and ask for a TRUE STOCK setup. I mean tell them you want your REVO Stock software to be as close to stock as possible (as advertised, at least in my case).

Good luck!

Thats what I'm trying to do! I'm not blaming revo, I'm just after a stock map to rule the revo map out of the equation

Ive had a low milage 10 plate s3 that had the same fault in revo stock or revo performance mode, but not when flashed to the stock file.

If you look at the fuel adaption on block 032 you will see its miles out.  002 or 003 shows the real time fuel adaptions and you can see on idle the adjustment is massive, with it trying to lean the car out.

From what revo have told me, the idle parts of the revo map are the same as the stock map.

How can Revo say that the idle file is the same, when you  said that when its flashed back to stock the problem goes away??

[RedRobin]

If the problem dissapears when flashed to stock, does this mean the problem is in the software or is the problem being caused by the effect of the software? An underlying engine problem may not show up under standard performance parameters, but may well do under highly tuned conditions.

....Exactly! And the more you push the performance envelope, the more the liklihood of stress and problems. It's not brain surgery.

[Janner_Sy]

If the problem dissapears when flashed to stock, does this mean the problem is in the software or is the problem being caused by the effect of the software? An underlying engine problem may not show up under standard performance parameters, but may well do under highly tuned conditions.

....Exactly! And the more you push the performance envelope, the more the liklihood of stress and problems. It's not brain surgery.

whilst i fully agree with that, as i posted previously, he wasnt standard.  he was fully fledged stage 2+ Bluefin.  the only change was a software swap to REVO stage 2+.   So it may not have showed up under bluefin, but revo obviously ppushed it straight past its limit (if there is a hardware fault that is)

[Hedge]

I still fail to see what the point is of wringing every last bhp and torque out of the poor thing.

Is it all about waving the old chap around rather than how it performs for you? Seems that way. 

[Janner_Sy]

I still fail to see what the point is of wringing every last bhp and torque out of the poor thing.

Is it all about waving the old chap around rather than how it performs for you? Seems that way.  

im with you on that.  i was after wringing it all out of my last car, but i don't plan to do it to this one.  i want more power obviously, but i dont want it at the expense of reliability.

there seems to be stage 2+ tuned k04 TFSI issues coming out in the woodwork on a regular basis now especially now that lots of guys have an it for extended periods of time.

[vRS Carl]

These issues on both K03 & K04 Stage 2+ have nothing to do with REVO software though. Everyone is just getting boost leaks 

[Janner_Sy]

oh of course

[vRS Carl]

I'm considering going Custom Code  

[Janner_Sy]

Make sure you do it @ JBS

[Hedge]

I'm considering going Custom Code 

I knew things were bad but I think you need to talk to someone first Carl.  

[heavyd]

I still fail to see what the point is of wringing every last bhp and torque out of the poor thing.

Is it all about waving the old chap around rather than how it performs for you? Seems that way.  

It wasnt that at all. I got 320bhp on a magical dyno stage 1, then bought a milltek TBE, and a HPFP, paid for stage 2 and 3 bluefin, RR'd at 313bhp, so about 13bhp gain. after I bought those I thought it was a bit of a crap gain for what was fitted, everyone raved about revo, so made the switch as I had a few quid spare. The fact that it took me 2 weeks to get Revo on because of loads of hassle with Revo etc should have been the omen to stay clear.
Hindsight is a fine thing.
I'm seriously thinking about ditching the hpfp and just paying to go stage 2 just to get rid of the engine light as this whole thing is doing my head in now. at least the engine will be less stressed, and if it is the extra power causing the problems, then that might be resolved. get an MOT, serviced, sell up and buy a diesel scirocco and get custard code installed on it
Can any dealer flash the ecu to stock etc, as I dont think I'm in Daves good books at the minute

[Janner_Sy]

why do you think the HPFP is @ fault?