Whats the consensus on DSG on here

[jhtrophy]

if in a dsg it wont let you have both brake and throttle pressed as i think was said (i may be wrong) then why would you left foot brake? as sounds like you cant in a dsg?

[Janner_Sy]

As i said about 8 posts ago, it would save time in the transition between accelerating braking as both pedals would be covered.  they mentioned it in that vid that TD posted.  Being quicker in the transition between the braking/accelerating would be handy for trail braking as well. rather than as the guy in the vid say that period where your coasting between releasing the brakes mid corner and getting back on the loud pedal.  Its something i really want to try anywau

But i see where your coming from, if the ECU disconnects the accelerator when you brake ( on both manual and DSG) then heal and toe is pointless.

[tony_danza]

I could sort of LFB in the GTI Sy, best achieved by leaving your foot in the same throttle position, you tap it so quick, the power is back in an instant and it achieves most of what you want.

Handy for settling the car on quick direction changes and using the left to slightly adjust a line and tuck the nose in mid corner really helps kill understeer.

[jhtrophy]

sorry never read that, dont think im fast enough to worry about such a small amount of time saved and if i tried i would bang my head on steering wheel

[tony_danza]

Aye, remember your foot is used to kicking a clutch down so isn't sensitive. You need to re-program it every time, so be careful! I still make a cock of it.

Can't say I bother with it on the road, just handy on track days for certain corners.

[chungster]

ah a monkey harris production...do like his videos.

re LFB..would it not muller your pads even quicker??

goes against the theory of braking before a corner then adjusting the line via throttle...but LFB is about being on the power and using the brake to control the line!

[jhtrophy]

yes it is, its pointless unless you use it for that, and to do that you would have to be a pretty special driver, i would imagine that most people who try it are the same people who roll up to a trackday, with 888s, cages etc and are useless.no need to try be the stig unless you are.

[Janner_Sy]

ah a monkey harris production...do like his videos.

re LFB..would it not muller your pads even quicker??

goes against the theory of braking before a corner then adjusting the line via throttle...but LFB is about being on the power and using the brake to control the line!

that's if your straightline breaking.  If you trail break you still holding onto the brake a little whilst turning in before releasin git and getting on the power.  Stops such a large transfer of weight as it keeps the front wheels loaded up a bit more during the initial stage of cornering

[Janner_Sy]

yes it is, its pointless unless you use it for that, and to do that you would have to be a pretty special driver, i would imagine that most people who try it are the same people who roll up to a trackday, with 888s, cages etc and are useless.no need to try be the stig unless you are.

I had an instructor on a airfield day at woodbridge airfield teach me trail breaking.  it really does reduce understeer, and it doesnt take too long to get used to.  think it could be easier with DSG as your feet wont be so busy sorting the clutch, braking and acceleration. 

[chungster]

of course trail braking reduces understeer...it provokes oversteer!

turning into a corner front loaded on the brakes = light rear end = oversteer city!

u can't deny the laws of physics and gravity.

 

[jhtrophy]

Think we sometimes we forget we drove fwd hatches! Lol I will stick to braking before the corner until I get a group b rally car and turn into Walter rhol lol

[Janner_Sy]

of course trail braking reduces understeer...it provokes oversteer!

turning into a corner front loaded on the brakes = light rear end = oversteer city!

u can't deny the laws of physics and gravity.

 

exactly, buit of oversteer, gets the nose in, hit the power and let the FWD pull you out the corner.  fastest way to drive aFWD car. 

Alot more fun as well, until you cock it up, which i have done a few times

[chungster]

Think we sometimes we forget we drove fwd hatches! Lol I will stick to braking before the corner until I get a group b rally car and turn into Walter rhol lol

With you there and that's what I'll stick to aswell.  

Got proper sideways at Combe once trail braking into quarry.... won't be trying that again anytime soon in a FWD car.

[chungster]

exactly, buit of oversteer, gets the nose in, hit the power and let the FWD pull you out the corner.  fastest way to drive aFWD car. 

Alot more fun as well, until you cock it up, which i have done a few times

You can also do a bit of throttle modulation to tuck the nose in...aka lift off oversteer!!

but if you like trail braking then fair enough.

[tony_danza]

LOL, I'm a long way off being fast and I'm certainly no Stig! The way I see it is you've paid for a track day and you've got 60-70 shots at the same set of corners in relative safety. You may as well try some different things and see if you can learn from it?