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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2011, 03:45:41 pm »
i await your new post saying bmw has spun me into a bitch  :driver: i could not drive rwd  :signLOL:

Don't need a BM to spin me into a bitch mate..  Had plenty of practise with that :signLOL:
« Last Edit: March 11, 2011, 03:47:27 pm by Sunglasses Ron »

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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2011, 03:51:54 pm »
 :signLOL: :signLOL: iphone spelt it wrong  :signLOL:

Mods yes but way too many to stick in this little box

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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2011, 04:08:04 pm »
:signLOL: :signLOL: iphone spelt it wrong  :signLOL:

Sausage fingers..  :signLOL:

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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2011, 06:00:52 pm »

this is an example of a stage 1 REVO car with the HPFP and intake, compared to Robins stage 2 REVO with TBE and intake.  Both K03 and of course different cars, but same engine, dyno and operator

stage 1 revo with HPFP and evoms


stage 2 with TBE and twintake (the highest one of Robins i could find)


it looks like the first one drops off faster but if you compare power/torque at the same points in each graph their practically the same. 

....I would only add that I'm running on Revo2 with my settings turned down less than they can go: B7/T5/F8 because I'm on a stock fuel pump.  :happy2:


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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2011, 06:03:13 pm »
Your graph looks better Robin then the one running a hpfp :signLOL:

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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2011, 06:09:38 pm »

Your graph looks better Robin then the one running a hpfp :signLOL:


....Yep, it looks to my fairly untrained eye that my torque comes on higher earlier and is a smoother curve.

I last ran 253 bhp (IIRC) at JKM but with a misfire. I'm planning to organise another JKM dyno day soon-ish.


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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2011, 07:02:27 pm »
RRs torque does come in lower down, but from 3000rpm its neigh on identical.  RRs graph is also scaled slighly better making it appear flatter. ie the scale starts 400rpm later and finishes abit earlier.  Plus this is RRs best graph, the others are all sub 260hp. You can only compare the curves if the scales are identical.  If not you have to compare the actual figures at individual points of the rev band.

Stage 2 will be better than stage 1+.  but its also would cost around £800 more to go for a stage 2 remap with TBE, intake as apose to stage 1 remap, HPFP and intake

RR you say your settings are turned down due to the HPFP being standard.  well that what stage 2 is, every stage 2 car is the same, they will give as much as is possible on the std fuel pump.  It would be stage 2+ if you were running higher fuel pressure.

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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2011, 07:28:37 pm »

RR you say your settings are turned down due to the HPFP being standard.  well that what stage 2 is, every stage 2 car is the same, they will give as much as is possible on the std fuel pump.  It would be stage 2+ if you were running higher fuel pressure.


....I think this would be best answered by Keith at JKM because what you're saying doesn't quite match JKM's reasons for reducing my settings.


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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2011, 07:40:19 pm »
stage 2 goes as far as possible on the standard fuel pump.  stage 2+ goes as the car was far as possible with the fuel pump.

You had stage 2 with no intake before.  This meant you could run aggresive settings without fuel cut.  You added the intake, this increased the rate at which the car builds boost thus will result in fuel cut with a stage 2 car on  the stock pump, hence they turn the boost and fueling down to compensate.  The stage 2 is designed to go as far as possible without fuel cut, which is exactly what you want with a remap.

Carl is now running stage 2 software on his vRS but with a HPFP and runs much more aggressive fueling because he doesnt have to worry about fuel cut, but its more like a stage 2+ remap i guess.

similar thing with the stage 1 map and a HPFP.  @ stage 1 you can easily get fuel cut, but if you add the HPFP you can run more aggressive settings and make alot more power.  But thats more of a stage 1+ remap then.

As you always say though, its all about what your after in a remap.  An exhaust has its benefits as it will reduces the EGT's but its expensive.  The HPFP is a weak point on the car, so is a good upgrade. 

As said before, next time id be tempted to go with a stage 1+ setup instead of a 2+, purely in hindsight and what i want from a car. I like performance without the noise.

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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2011, 07:45:54 pm »

You had stage 2 with no intake before.  This meant you could run aggresive settings without fuel cut.  You added the intake, this increased the rate at which the car builds boost thus will result in fuel cut with a stage 2 car on  the stock pump, hence they turn the boost and fueling down to compensate.  The stage 2 is designed to go as far as possible without fuel cut, which is exactly what you want with a remap.

I like performance without the noise.


.... :happy2: That's the reasoning, Sy - Exactly as Keith @ JKM said - I didn't fully understand your previous post.

I like my performance with noiz!  :happy2: - At least, when I'm using the throttle.


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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2011, 09:36:29 pm »
Interesting discussion this, cheers guys.

Quick update my Ed30 currently has a St1 Revo map plus Autotech HFFP.
Then a Milltek DP & Cat, plus Dbilas induction kit was fitted. 

As a guide I fully intend to keep my car...probably forever. So I don't want to squeeze engine components to bursting point. Or chase pub numbers.
So for extra cooling purposes I'm now thinking of a Forge Twintercooler, hence my pleading and hopeful attempt at a group buy..anyone else keen?

My pondering now is whether to stay at St1 (unlikely), go to 2 (possible),
or go for St2+ (probably) - but only a mild version of the 'Plus'.
I have chatted with PDT about this and respect Dave's knowledge on these things so I think I'm certain of the way forward, but if any one else has views or horror stories it would be good to know.
 

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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #56 on: March 11, 2011, 09:39:46 pm »
stop thinking about POWER its more about how the car drives and handles  :driver: if you want power then your in the wrong car  :rolleye: get something fast out of the box and then fiddle with it  :pomppomp:

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The whole point of mapping is to up the power. But I fully agree it's how the car delivers the power and handles.

The beauty about the VAG TFSi/TSi engines is you can turn a fairly quick car in to a very quick car for the less than buying a very fast car to begin with.

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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #57 on: March 11, 2011, 10:03:41 pm »
yes but you cant up the power and not think about how the car is going to react to it so you need to sort the  handling out and how that extra power is going to get on to the road instead of losing it and the car pulling all over the place so having the extra power is a waste. But thats only what i think  :smiley:

Mods yes but way too many to stick in this little box

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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #58 on: March 11, 2011, 10:05:33 pm »
I asked Revo what stage wad the best for drivability, response and overall performance, they said Stage 2  :happy2:

Seems that 2 over 1 adds low down torque and responsiveness and power with no downside

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Re: Is there anyone has gone Stg2/2+ and wished they had not?
« Reply #59 on: March 11, 2011, 10:13:18 pm »
I asked Revo what stage wad the best for drivability, response and overall performance, they said Stage 2  :happy2:

Seems that 2 over 1 adds low down torque and responsiveness and power with no downside
:happy2: