TT or S3 fron suspension arms

[Carrera2RS]

Gents, I have been reading up and found this

http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123479

Plus a few threads on this forum. I am wondering if the improvement with S3 arms is weight related or camber covers most of it. I am thinking about camber plates and/or alloy TT arms plus some better, lighter brakes (VWR, AP, Brembo or Stoptech)
Any experiences and costings with the lower arm options would be appreciated. I currently run with a walk
 

[Top Cat]

Your best bet for the camber adjustment on the front is the TT arms, i think you get 2.5 degrees of camber adjustment possibly 3 degrees. it is preferential to have the camber applied form the bottom rather than at the top mounts, they are also a lot lighter than the stock arms. I have KW clubsports with the top mounts and they are designed for this and yet still pop a bit over bumps. So i imagine if you fit aftermarket top mounts you might get a fair bit of knocking and banging over rough ground. I am just about to add some S3 lower arms + s3 hubs to lighten up the front a bit more. 

[Carrera2RS]

Topcat, tks 

I will do some more reading, I want to keep road harshness to a minimum, so if I can acheive a reduction in unsprung weight, camber adjustability and keep my WALK kit. TT or S3 arms sound great.

Not sure of the differences, running 8x18 ET45's I do not want to increase the track

[mortygttdi]

I have some S3 arms if any one needs some,  £50 plus postage or collect

Darren

[Top Cat]

Topcat, tks 

I will do some more reading, I want to keep road harshness to a minimum, so if I can acheive a reduction in unsprung weight, camber adjustability and keep my WALK kit. TT or S3 arms sound great.

Not sure of the differences, running 8x18 ET45's I do not want to increase the track

The S3 arms only give 0.5 degree of extra camber, so you would need the TT ones. For out and out handling the track increase is better than the top adjustment, but i see your dilemma. it all depends on how low you take the car. at 12mil extra poke which is what you have now, you are right on the limit of getting rubbing if lowered. my daily wheels are 8.5j 45 ET which is why i went for the clubsports initially, found out how great they were and started doing track days, ended up changing loads of bits now. 
My TD's are 7.5j 45 ET which means i get zero rubbing no matter what the situation.  to be honest i am not sure in this but changing the camber at the bottom rather than at the top is going to give you negligible difference in terms of increasing the chances of rubbing. The weight of the set up has also got to be taken into account and all your lighter bits will lessen the chance of rubbing a bit. 

[Carrera2RS]

Are these correct or do I need the later ones ?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AUDI-TT-FRONT-LOWER-SUSPENSION-ARM-WISHBONE-B-JOINT-/400159740570?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5d2b61129a

[Top Cat]

They look like the right ones, but you need one of the forum Geeks to answer that for you, i have no idea on changes to model numbers and spec details

[the bruce]

The S3 arms only give 0.5 degree of extra camber, so you would need the TT ones.

The S3 arm don't give any aditional camber. They are geometrically identical
to the Golf's steel arms.

The TT arms give a plus of 1° or so and they are - of course - adjustable.

Both are about half of the weight compared to the cast steel arms.
But remember there are also arms made of sheet steel that are as light weight
as the forged aluminium arms from Cupra, Passat, S3, TT (but not as strong).

Reducing weight is even more effective if you replace the hubs for the S3/Passat
or even TT one. The TT hubs will also lift the center of roll which improves handling
by a large margin.


ps:
why not going on in one of the older threads?

[Carrera2RS]

I now think they are too good to be true at the price as the piccies on the US thread show very alloy looking arms, perhaps the early TT's were steel  

Forum Geeks, help  

I think the TT's are the same length, so no problem with my +6mm on rim width and +6mm on offset, so I agree I have a 24mm track increae already over stock. its when you change the hubs to S3 that the track increases by 26mm I think, so 13mm a side ?

[Carrera2RS]

The S3 arms only give 0.5 degree of extra camber, so you would need the TT ones.

The S3 arm don't give any aditional camber. They are geometrically identical
to the Golf's steel arms.

The TT arms give a plus of 1° or so and they are - of course - adjustable.

Both are about half of the weight compared to the cast steel arms.
But remember there are also arms made of sheet steel that are as light weight
as the forged aluminium arms from Cupra, Passat, S3, TT (but not as strong).

Reducing weight is even more effective if you replace the hubs for the S3/Passat
or even TT one. The TT hubs will also lift the center of roll which improves handling
by a large margin.


ps:
why not going on in one of the older threads?

Bruce, tks

More reading required 

[Carrera2RS]

I think I have settled on the TT arms with balljoints. The list appears to be this

TT Aluminum Control Arms Parts List (pricing from genuineaudivwparts):
8J0 407 151 D (need 2 Same part # left and right) $216.00 X 2
Ball Joints
8J0 407 365 $92.16
8J0 407 366 $92.16
Ball Joint Nuts
N 103 320 02 $0.66 - need 6
N 909 429 01 $1.07 - need 2
Ball Joint Bolt Stud Brackets:
8J0 407 175 $11.88
8J0 407 176 $11.88
Bolt for Rear Bracket to sub-frame
N 105 797 01 $1.32 need 4
Bolt for Rear Bracket to frame
N 908 235 01 $1.87 need 2
Bolt for Front Bracket- horizontal
N 101 410 01 $2.82 need 2
12 Point Axel Bolts
WHT 002 795 $2.82 need 2

My only remaining questions are where is the cheapest and will the WALK fit 

[danishmkvgti]

I think I have settled on the TT arms with balljoints. The list appears to be this

TT Aluminum Control Arms Parts List (pricing from genuineaudivwparts):
8J0 407 151 D (need 2 Same part # left and right) $216.00 X 2
Ball Joints
8J0 407 365 $92.16
8J0 407 366 $92.16
Ball Joint Nuts
N 103 320 02 $0.66 - need 6
N 909 429 01 $1.07 - need 2
Ball Joint Bolt Stud Brackets:
8J0 407 175 $11.88
8J0 407 176 $11.88
Bolt for Rear Bracket to sub-frame
N 105 797 01 $1.32 need 4
Bolt for Rear Bracket to frame
N 908 235 01 $1.87 need 2
Bolt for Front Bracket- horizontal
N 101 410 01 $2.82 need 2
12 Point Axel Bolts
WHT 002 795 $2.82 need 2

My only remaining questions are where is the cheapest and will the WALK fit 

Q2. yes WALK will fit, mine did 

[Carrera2RS]

Great, just need to find  cheap place for parts.

Then me thinks it's time for some lighter bigger anchors 

[rex]

The TT arms are longer that the normal GTI ones.

About the TT hubs..
1. Do they fit on a mk5? I tired to figure that out but could not do so :( (the brakes will definitely fit, what about the steering rod?).
2. If they fit will we have to change the wheel bearing (or is it the same - just to let you know there are 2 different hubs and bearings on a mk5 depending on the model/year/engine....; so my guess is that we have to change them also)?

Could you guys post a image with the full TT hubs (I saw the one taken only for the arm pivot).

[the bruce]

The bearings will fit from all what I know. 

The steering rod will cause the biggest problem as replacing them by the TT rods
might be difficult cos the TT has a different steering rack.