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Offline tony_danza

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More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« on: March 29, 2011, 03:36:54 pm »
You spend all that money stripping, mapping, modding and fettling.... and you're still not as quick!

Megane RS250, delivery mileage and road tyres on a cold damp track - totally out of the box fresh. 8:06 Bridge to Gantry  :congrats:

Why aren't VAG doing this?

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Re: More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2011, 03:40:17 pm »
simple answer vag dont need to do it they let the owners make the choice and mod how we want
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Mods yes but way too many to stick in this little box

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Re: More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2011, 03:42:51 pm »
I don't mean that as such - more making hot hatches hot.

A MKI/MKII Golf was much better built than French tat of the era, but they were just as good in terms of being hot.
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Re: More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2011, 03:48:20 pm »
I woudl also say they dont really want to do it, Renault go for ring times etc to sell cars VAG can sell there more expensive cars to a different market who have different priorities than tracking.  If they did make somethign that fast it would have an audi badge and cost £40k at least....... oh wait a minute thats an RS3....
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Re: More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2011, 04:02:43 pm »
Im sure that VW could make a golf do that, but at what consequence? It would (im sure) alienate there typical GTI customer.
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Re: More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2011, 04:21:57 pm »
A french hatch could be twice as quick but it still wouldn't tick the boxes for me.  Massive depreciation, poor reliability, poor dealers, horrible cheap plastic interiors I just wouldn't!  The r26 is a lovely car to drive when you're in the mood, most of the time its just an unrefined annoying rattle box.  When i was 19 that would have done me, 10 years later I'm not interested.  I love the GTI, being able to get the balance of everything makes it the ultimate hot hatch in my book!
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Re: More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2011, 04:31:16 pm »
i think they could still make the golf a lot more focus'd without compromising daily use.  all it would take is some stiffer bushings, stiffer ARBs, and better brakes.  that nad the fact the VW still think 207hp is fine for the hot hatch market.  now there nearest VAG competitor is about 40Hp more powerful now.

I think id take the megane tbh.
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Re: More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2011, 04:40:32 pm »
Quote from: Janner_Sy on March 29, 2011, 04:31:16 pm
i think they could still make the golf a lot more focus'd without compromising daily use.  all it would take is some stiffer bushings, stiffer ARBs, and better brakes.  that nad the fact the VW still think 207hp is fine for the hot hatch market.  now there nearest VAG competitor is about 40Hp more powerful now.

I think id take the megane tbh.

What is it you've go against vw? It seems like in a lot of your posts you seem to criticise them? I'm not being funny but it just seems a little strange considering you are a member of a vw forum?  :laugh:
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Re: More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2011, 04:43:46 pm »
Quote from: Gtiain on March 29, 2011, 04:40:32 pm
Quote from: Janner_Sy on March 29, 2011, 04:31:16 pm
i think they could still make the golf a lot more focus'd without compromising daily use.  all it would take is some stiffer bushings, stiffer ARBs, and better brakes.  that nad the fact the VW still think 207hp is fine for the hot hatch market.  now there nearest VAG competitor is about 40Hp more powerful now.

I think id take the megane tbh.

What is it you've go against vw? It seems like in a lot of your posts you seem to criticise them? I'm not being funny but it just seems a little strange considering you are a member of a vw forum?  :laugh:

I think VW are doing just fine, reviews still class the gti as the hot hatch king, better than the more powerful s3 and if you look at the used car values, nobody want the more powerful, more focused cars as they're worth peanuts.  A remap sorts out the power deficit anyway :laugh:  
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Re: More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2011, 04:58:25 pm »
What amazes me is he obviously has a passenger AND can laugh and joke all the way round.

Have Renault given an official lap for the full 'ring yet in the 250 cup? I know the R26R did around 8'17"
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Re: More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2011, 05:30:09 pm »
Quote from: tony_danza on March 29, 2011, 03:42:51 pm
I don't mean that as such - more making hot hatches hot.

A MKI/MKII Golf was much better built than French tat of the era, but they were just as good in terms of being hot.
that is a mad time, not a fan of the 250 though, and to be honest, its very golf like in terms of build, cue the people who have no idea with the same old, "its french so its rubbish" lol, drive it! french cars go, german cars look cool. as for the mk2 TD, as good as a pug gti? nah :P
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Re: More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2011, 05:32:40 pm »
hang on! just realised its bridge to gantry! the stock r26 did a full lap in 8min 30, which is about 8 min B to G, so that time is not very good!!! take back my last post :signLOL:
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Re: More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2011, 05:48:38 pm »
Quote from: Janner_Sy on March 29, 2011, 04:31:16 pm
i think they could still make the golf a lot more focus'd without compromising daily use.  all it would take is some stiffer bushings, stiffer ARBs, and better brakes.  that nad the fact the VW still think 207hp is fine for the hot hatch market.  now there nearest VAG competitor is about 40Hp more powerful now.

I think id take the megane tbh.

To be fair, I think Janboy has a point.  The Golf is good, possibly great, but think what a touch more relatively inexpensive development (parts available within VAG) would create.

The Gti (in both std and Ed 30 guise) brakes are poor, yet Seat fit Brembo's to some, and R32 type brakes to others.  Stiffer bushings are found elsewhere within VAG (Audi/Seat Cupra), so cost is virtually nil I would suggest.

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Re: More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2011, 06:46:47 pm »
Quote from: winrya on March 29, 2011, 04:21:57 pm
A french hatch could be twice as quick but it still wouldn't tick the boxes for me.  Massive depreciation, poor reliability, poor dealers, horrible cheap plastic interiors I just wouldn't!  The r26 is a lovely car to drive when you're in the mood, most of the time its just an unrefined annoying rattle box.  When i was 19 that would have done me, 10 years later I'm not interested.  I love the GTI, being able to get the balance of everything makes it the ultimate hot hatch in my book!

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Re: More clutter showing us up on the Ring...
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2011, 06:56:04 pm »
Quote from: Gtiain on March 29, 2011, 04:40:32 pm
Quote from: Janner_Sy on March 29, 2011, 04:31:16 pm
i think they could still make the golf a lot more focus'd without compromising daily use.  all it would take is some stiffer bushings, stiffer ARBs, and better brakes.  that nad the fact the VW still think 207hp is fine for the hot hatch market.  now there nearest VAG competitor is about 40Hp more powerful now.

I think id take the megane tbh.

What is it you've go against vw? It seems like in a lot of your posts you seem to criticise them? I'm not being funny but it just seems a little strange considering you are a member of a vw forum?  :laugh:

Im a lingerer  :innocent: :innocent:  Got nothing against VW, i just point out the obvious.  The golf is a great all rounder (not as good as the octavia :P in that sense), but as a focused hot hatch its not as good. 

As said the Cupra got the better brakes as standard, why couldnt the GTI or ED30.  Could have even stuck in the cupra engine in the GTI as standard.  would of made a good car a great car.  Instead you have to pay the Ed30 premium to get it how it should have been as standard
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