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Offline robern2

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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2009, 08:36:44 pm »
I've spoken to Star performance (GIAC dealer) who suggest the hammer map was developed in the US rather than UK. They dont sell the hammer map on principle so this possibly widens the performance gap between the base GIAC code compared to Revo stage2+. Revo is starting to look better.
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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2009, 08:41:52 pm »
The Revo stg 2+ is producing some impressive results, very tempted myself, but its probably worth budgeting for a clutch which is whats putting me off at the minute. Unless your DSG of course, again you may have issues with the power and torque available
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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2009, 08:54:17 pm »
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Apart from catering for an aftermarket fuel pump, what other differences are there between Revo2 and Revo2+ ?
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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2009, 08:55:53 pm »
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robern2 - Is your car Manual or DSG? K03 or K04?

[Sorry if I missed you saying earlier]
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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2009, 09:26:11 pm »
Quote from: RedRobin on March 19, 2009, 08:54:17 pm
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Apart from catering for an aftermarket fuel pump, what other differences are there between Revo2 and Revo2+ ?
  I think the high pressure fuel pump is the only hardware difference between revo 2  and 2+  :driver:
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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2009, 11:09:14 pm »
you need a proper intake too, spoke to Carl at Revo about it the other week :happy2:
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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2009, 11:21:48 pm »
Quote from: RedRobin on March 19, 2009, 08:54:17 pm
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Apart from catering for an aftermarket fuel pump, what other differences are there between Revo2 and Revo2+ ?

REVO recommend an intake, HPFP, TBE and intercooler to used with this file.

Stage 2+ has been specifically developed for the HPFP.  When you upgrade to this file the remap will request 130 bar fuel rail pressure from the HPFP.  The stock HPFP would not be able to meet this hence the need for an aftermarket pump.
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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2009, 12:45:00 pm »
AMD and others have suggested a panel filter is fine with Stage2+ with only a reduction of approx 7-10bhp albeit and a saving of approx £250 or so over fitting Forge,EVOMS,Dbillas.
Red Robin, in answer to your question - the edition 30 has a K04 turbo.
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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2009, 04:57:06 pm »
Your finally getting some dialogue on this one then Nath!

Have emailed my thoughts to you over the last few days, but I think the results from the rolling road day add to an interesting debate.

Jonny on his last S3 was running GIAC, CAI and TBE and regularly saw 345bhp.  I think he went for a bespoke map from Regal when he had the HPFP added and I believe he was up to about 360 then (i'm sure it will be in his build thread somewhere!).

The Revo Stage 2+ S3 and VAG-Check Satge 2+ cars ran 324bhp and 330bhp respectively and my GIAC'd car with Panel filter and Milltek donwpipe ran 321bhp.

I think with Revo stage 2+ you're getting a well tried and tested solution.
The GIAC 2+ is less well known and would require a leap of faith.

I'm pretty sure Regal worked with GIAC on refining the maps for euro markets though... so the data has come from UK spec cars  :happy2:
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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2009, 07:12:28 pm »
Quote from: jamiekip on March 23, 2009, 04:57:06 pm

The Revo Stage 2+ S3 and VAG-Check Satge 2+ cars ran 324bhp and 330bhp respectively and my GIAC'd car with Panel filter and Milltek donwpipe ran 321bhp.

I think with Revo stage 2+ you're getting a well tried and tested solution.
The GIAC 2+ is less well known and would require a leap of faith.


I recorded 321bhp on my Ed30 with Revo Stage 2 and that was on JKMs rollers which are known to be conservative compared to some other operators.  I would have thought Stage 2+ would give at least 340bhp+ 
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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2009, 07:42:13 pm »
Quote from: robern2 on March 19, 2009, 08:36:44 pm
I've spoken to Star performance (GIAC dealer) who suggest the hammer map was developed in the US rather than UK. They dont sell the hammer map on principle so this possibly widens the performance gap between the base GIAC code compared to Revo stage2+. Revo is starting to look better.


The Giac maps originate from the U.S but are for the U.K market lets get that clear. The Hammer map is used across the globe, when i bought mine I was advised that it may not reach the 330 stated, it got 321bhp my r/r was compared to another car that day done in Greece that did reach 330 mine was put down to the car having only done a few thousand miles compared to the other car.
The GIAC is sold as race & pump there is no stages like what revo offer.
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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2009, 07:51:05 pm »
^^^^^^ Agree Completely with you Keith  :happy2:^^^^^^^

When mines was mapped I was told exactly the same from Jim!


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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2009, 09:21:21 pm »
GIAC have just launched a stage 2+ map that accomodates the HPFP  :happy2:
I agree on the pump and race options.
Though I only have pump on mine.... wonder if I have the option to get more....
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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2009, 10:06:12 pm »
Quote from: jamiekip on March 23, 2009, 09:21:21 pm
GIAC have just launched a stage 2+ map that accomodates the HPFP  :happy2:
I agree on the pump and race options.
Though I only have pump on mine.... wonder if I have the option to get more....

Yes you can have extra programs added to the flashloader.

Do you have a link to the stage 2+ upgrade?
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Re: GIAC versus Revo Stage 2+
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2009, 10:22:46 pm »
I think info is scarce on it right now... Nath, the original poster made me aware of it if I'm honest, ut when I was chatting with the guys at Regal on saturday they confimed it exists.
I believe his would be the first with it on in the uk, however i think he's elected to go Revo.

So, the difference between Pump and Race..... given my light mod's (BMC and Milltek Downpipe and the standard back box) what benefit would I see?
As i only have pump and standard visible on my flashloader, do I actually have the 310 map, not the hammer?
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