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Purchase advice...DSG or Manual??
« on: June 28, 2011, 11:38:08 pm »
Hi all, I'm new here so please be gentle.....

Currently looking to replace my Leon Cupra FR TDi with something a bit more interesting (and not Diesel!) & toying with the idea of a Mk5 gti or a 130i m-sport & noticed a lot of DSGs for sale on the golfs. I've always avoided any type of auto, but was wondering what the general feeling was towards the vw DSG system fitted to the gti's? Are they any good? Do they help with fuel consumption? Are they a potential financial risk  - eg do they fail often?

Also, whats a realistic av fuel consumption (60 mph country roads / 80mph mway)?

Thanks!

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Re: Purchase advice...DSG or Manual??
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2011, 11:47:34 pm »
Without being a cheeky monkey ^^^^  :grin:

I'd suggest driving both models.  It's the only way you will be able to answer your question.

Personally, I couldn't get on with the manual myself, so opted for the wondrous option of the DSG. It gives you the best of both worlds ish( it really is a phenomenal gear box!  :driver:)

« Last Edit: June 28, 2011, 11:50:12 pm by keano »

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Re: Purchase advice...DSG or Manual??
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2011, 12:20:08 am »
 :signLOL: had to be said  :signLOL:

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Re: Purchase advice...DSG or Manual??
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2011, 01:09:58 am »
Nice warm welcome there
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=search
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Nice warm welcome there!

I took the liberty of using the link to do a search for dsg issues and came up with the thread below. The poll attached suggest quite a few members have had problems (25%), although that is probably not typical.

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,22943.0/viewResults.html

You get a 10 year warranty on the DSG transmission in the US due to consumer complaints regarding its (lack of) reliability. Read into that what you will. As above though, take a drive and see what you think.

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Re: Purchase advice...DSG or Manual??
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2011, 07:27:46 am »
put it this way...i wouldnt go back to a manual car after having the DSG...it would have to be a special car to sway me back to a manual gear box! most of my driving is in the city centre which means i am constantly stuck in traffic, and with the DSG its perfect! and its pretty fun to use on backroads to! but i would still suggest driving both a manual and DSG and see what you prefer as everyone is different  :happy2:
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Re: Purchase advice...DSG or Manual??
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2011, 07:43:25 am »
Whereas I have DSG and would happily return to manual. It's a good gearbox, but I simply prefer the direct control of a truly manual box. DSG isn't totally semi auto with paddle shift. The box software will shift up or down if it thinks it needs to override the driver. There's no 'holding a gear at the red line' with DSG, it'll shift.

Now some folk have had the software changed, which reportedly sorts this issue.

It's a marmite thing; you love it or hate it. Drive a manual & DSG back to back. And not just a 10 minute test drive. Take half an hour on roads you know.
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Re: Purchase advice...DSG or Manual??
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2011, 08:01:56 am »
Very useful, as if I hadn't thought of that already!!!!.....actually, altho I was expecting this to be a regularity discussed topic, when I did a couple of searches for " dsg+manual" I got no results. Searching for "dsg" alone obviously brings up loads of threads, so I figured it would be worth starting a new thread.

Thanks for the responses so far


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Re: Purchase advice...DSG or Manual??
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2011, 08:07:49 am »
Very useful, as if I hadn't thought of that already!!!!

No need for any sarcasm. You asked, we answered
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Re: Purchase advice...DSG or Manual??
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2011, 08:23:12 am »
What I am saying is most things gearbox have been asked so it might be worth doing a search first and seeing if all your ??? Have been asked at some point in the past  :smiley:

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Re: Purchase advice...DSG or Manual??
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2011, 08:52:38 am »
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It's very much a case of personal preference and as already said, the only way to decide is to arrange a decent length of test drive. The DSG box offers a huge amount of choices in how you combine modes/shifts and so it takes quite a few miles before it becomes fluid and natural. Mine has been Revo remapped and it is better but it's subtle and not like an ECU remap.

I only use D ('auto') when in a traffic jam crawl or in urban speed limit zones, otherwise I think manual and shift accordingly on the paddles - Both hands always on the wheel and no gear change ever fluffed. Best of both worlds in my opinion after 94,000 miles. Now I would not consider ANY other car unless it had DSG/S-tronic or an equivalent.


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Re: Purchase advice...DSG or Manual??
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2011, 08:55:39 am »
Amazed no mention of warranty being of benefit?  In case of problems.  Thought yours had been replaced in the interests of research RR?  

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Re: Purchase advice...DSG or Manual??
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2011, 09:10:52 am »

Amazed no mention of warranty being of benefit?  In case of problems.  Thought yours had been replaced in the interests of research RR?  

Man - ual all the way!

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.... :grin: I actually thought of writing in my previous post to expect someone to come along and suggest that DSG wasn't 'manly' but thought better of it.

For the record, while still under warranty I had a Mechatronics momentary hiccup after 6,000 miles and the Mechatronics module was replaced by VW. The car continued to be totally drivable as normal before actual replacement though I was naturally worried it might re-occur. At that time back in 2005, VW dealers were under instruction to refer all DSG issues to higher level and there was a policy of automatic replacement. It's also more cost efficient, reliable, and easier to replace a faulty electronic component rather than attempt to mend it. Doubtless VW were keen to analyse and rectify any problems as the DSG was relatively new to the public market. Have there been recent instances of Mechatronics failures?

In my opinion for whatever it's worth, the likelihood of a DSG failure is no greater than the failure of any other component on a car.

Like others and myself say, test drive and decide - It's a personal preference thing and nothing right, wrong, or effeminate etc about it.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2011, 09:16:54 am by RedRobin »


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Re: Purchase advice...DSG or Manual??
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2011, 09:43:35 am »
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No problem, I probably should have said in my first post that I'd already done a search, but had limited success...will try a few more to see if I can narrow down dsg specific threads.

I was mainly hoping to find out if there were specific reliability issues / fuel economy benefits from the dsg....sounds like there are no real scaries, altho I guess if it goes wrong it will be big bucks to fix.


Oh, one more q...does the dsg auto blip on downshifts?


Will try and find a dealer with both variants to drive. Thanks all for the input so far.

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 :indifferent:What I am saying is most things gearbox have been asked so it might be worth doing a search first and seeing if all your ??? Have been asked at some point in the past  :smiley:
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Re: Purchase advice...DSG or Manual??
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2011, 10:17:32 am »
Most things have been talked about over the years on the site at some point. Manual box for me I find driving dsg a little dull but it's still a great box just not for me

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